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    Trudy recently spoke about OCD Week, she suggested that we could all try to make at least two people aware of OCD. Another suggestion was to mention OCD if we are on other forums.

    I don’t want to sound negative, but both have backfired on me badly in the past. I would just add that it might be preferable to tell strangers or at least people you don’t mind losing as friends.

    Someone with OCD did say to me, years ago, that the people I ‘lost’ because of mentioning my contamination fears, were not worth knowing anyway. I agreed. However, I have had many years to think about this and I have changed my mind.

    The first person to reject me was a very dear cousin, whom I had known for thirty-five years. She still is a very special person, it’s a case of her being afraid of something she doesn’t understand. Who am I to judge her, when I have fears that even I don’t understand?!

    The second person who backed away from me was also a nice person. She was a nurse and I only told her because she could sense my anxiety if we met up in a public place and I erroneously believed with her medical experience she would have understanding. I briefly told her I have OCD and that I fear contamination. I never heard from her again. Excuses were always made if I phoned, the receiver abruptly put down - eventually I got the message (I‘m thick at times, it took four humiliating attempts).

    Another experience has been my being ridiculed following an appearance on television, discussing OCD (back in 1997). My neighbour has cruelly made fun of my condition ever since.

    Last night, I began to realize that history is repeating itself. I ‘met’ a distant cousin online who became very friendly and wanted to meet. I hate to lie, so I briefly explained this would be difficult due to my OCD. From daily contact to nothing! My husband said he is tired of my contacting people and causing ‘embarrassment‘. I received a long lecture about keeping my ’condition’ to myself, avoiding all contact with the outside world, including the computer and phone. I decided I should be banished to the attic with Grace Poole bringing my meals and guarding the locked door. Just realized, the maiden name of my great grandmother was Mason (ironically, Jane, not Bertha!).

    Raising awareness is vitally important, it will even help prevent the very experiences I am referring to. However, I would now rather rely on charities, professionals and the media. I know not everyone will experience such negative responses, but I also know I am far from alone. So be careful who you confide in, it might be the last chance you have of speaking to that person. You could also end up like me, feeling totally worthless and in despair.

    Thu Jan 27 2011 14:11:56 #
  2. This is an incredibly negative post. I am sorry and saddened that all of your experiences have been so bad and so negative and I wonder why that is. It does not reflect my own experiences or those of others I know who have "come out" or shared knowledge of their condition with others and again I wonder why.

    Perhaps it is the way we portray our condition or the way that we tackle it, if indeed we do tackle it at all that makes the difference in the way that others see us. In a recent post someone said that it was expected that the whole world should change to accommodate the person's OCD. This is quite unreasonable. I'm sorry, but I call a spade a spade, and from reading Tricias' posts over the years I have come to the conclusion that this is the situation with her. OK, so Tricia has severe OCD and that both the system and medical science has not been able to cope and has let her down badly. I am so sorry for her but I feel she is determined not to let things get better no matter what she might say. This is just my personal view and I don't know Tricia personally so of course I can't say that this is fact. I can say that I do know others who have a similar attitude and I believe it is true in their case.

    This problem is not of Tricias' making, inded she is a victim. Much of the problem is due to the perception of OCD - you know, it's just a bit of hand washing and perfection - the sort of thing David Beckham is supposed to have, which is not OCD.

    The big problem is lack of awareness of what OCD really is and how severe it is and the effect on sufferers and their families it can have. At a recent OCD Action conference someone gave an example: If you did a survey and asked the public if they thought the governmwnt was doing enough about cancer or heart disease then the answer would probably be No. But if you asked the same about OCD, most would reply "What's that" or "Well it's not serious, is it".

    Awareness is key to getting something realistic done. Cancer and heart charities raise £millions because people are aware of those conditions and what they do to people, but raising money for OCD is a nightmare because people are not aware of the facts.

    So yes, Tricias' warning is realistic but we must overcome this and raise awareness as it is fundamental and key to getting action on OCD.

    Jerama

    Thu Jan 27 2011 20:57:44 #
  3. Maybe we could organise sponsored marches wearing ocd action colours all over the uk? that way nothing bad could come of it if we were surrounded by others with the same condition, as I too have had negative expeiriences concerning telling people about my ocd. hmmmm...

    Thu Jan 27 2011 21:08:02 #
  4. Hi Jerama
    Tricia has been a wonderful friend to me and she's been having a really tough time of late and I fear your post might upset her, simply because we are all such sensitive souls and take things far too personally.
    Each person's OCD is different and those like myself who have found treatments which alleviate the OCD, should never assume that those who do not respond to treatments currently on offer are somehow resistant to change. I tried for decades to change and absolutely nothing worked for me, then when SSRI's arrived I changed without conscious effort. There was a programme on BBC TV very recently (you can still see it on Iplayer) about a nurse who overworked and became depressed and absolutely nothing worked for her, then after 9 years of severe depression and several suicide attempts she had deep brain stimulation - and she is no longer depressed and considers herself cured.
    We have to bring OCD out of the closet to raise awareness but at the same time if we who have the condition pass judgement on each other how can we ever expect the wider community not to do the same.
    I spoke on Radio Cornwall for last year's OCD Week, I talked about my son's suicide and my own lengthy experiences of psychiatric treatment, my story was so heartfelt and personal that it brought one man all the way from Exeter for friendship and help and he still attends the support group when he can make it. Yet I know that at least two of my neighbours who I consider "friends" listen to Radio Cornwall all day in the background and in a small community like this news will have travelled, we also had a photo of the Awareness Day in the local paper which nearly everyone reads - but no-one has ever broached the subject with me and if I speak about it the subject matter seems to change very rapildy. Why is that do you think? Could it be that people don't really want to be made aware unless it affects them personally? I don't want to sound negative but awareness is going to be a very slow transition in public attitudes but each tiny individual step we take is taking us in the right direction.

    Fri Jan 28 2011 11:09:46 #
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    Jerama, I am far from perfect, but one thing I can honestly say is that I never judge another person with OCD, nor am I negative by nature. I am not at all happy with the way in which you have once again judged me. I am simply a realist and I am just saying that not everyone will remain friendly with a person who states that they have OCD. Sadly, some here on the forum are judgemental and always assume the experience of others must be the same, or at least very similar to their own. I’m glad you have not encountered the negative responses I have. Perhaps if you were told repeatedly that you are an embarrassment you might not have written the things you did. As a very sick young child, with OCD, I was told I was an embarrassment to my mother. If I had somewhere to go I would have removed the source of embarrassment from my husband the other night. I’m sure by my saying this you will read all sorts of things into the situation and possibly view me as someone who is demanding and who constantly moans about my problems. I suppose you already think this as you believe my attitude to be one where the world should change to accommodate my OCD. Perhaps if you got to know me you might be shocked to find I have a very different attitude.

    I was just chatting to a friend I met on a healing course, back in 2008. Because the tutor who ran this course knew about my OCD (she had given me healing in the past) she refused to allow me to become a healer, once the course had finished. I was one of the few who attended all the course days and who always completed the homework. She truthfully said I was a very strong healer, but for having a ‘very serious mental condition’, which apparently could render me a danger to the public, she would have approved me as a healer. So, I will also add a word of caution about divulging your OCD to an employer.

    I was in conversation with a friend I met on this course, earlier today. She knows me well, she likes me and trusts me and says she phones to chat when she is down, because I am always positive and cheer her up. She has been allowed to work as a healer, I have been denied this, due to OCD, but there is no bitterness on my part and fortunately she is one of the few I have told about my condition who is not alarmed by my OCD and still values me as a friend. I discussed the thread I had written here and mentioned the good friends I had lost. Remember, Jerama, they were good, long-standing friends. Had I been a negative self-pitying moaner, they would not have hung around for the years they did. They were purely frightened when they learnt I had OCD. One brief sentence was all it took.

    I am not an attention-seeker, nor do I feel any self-pity. If you had observed my lengthy spells of therapy and the effort I made to tolerate the side effects of certain medications (one I stuck with for fourteen years, despite very bad side-effects) you might view me differently.

    Please, don’t regard me as a victim. I don’t view myself as one. Nor do I feel the system has let me down, badly or otherwise. I’ve received some wonderful support and advice in recent years (not so good in years gone by when mental health was definitely living in the Dark Ages - but it was the same for everyone back then.) and I accept that we don’t all respond to treatment. I may one day take up the offer I have had of surgery, which would be a hefty bill for the NHS. I am NOT complaining about my current treatment.

    I’ve nothing against awareness, Jerama, I stated that. I would just rather excellent suggestions like Ella’s rather than personally risking the loss of any more friends. I knew someone who would announce his OCD in such a manner that people would run a mile. He was very much the victim, very much of the attitude ‘I have this terrible condition and I expect the world to change to accommodate me‘. If that’s how you think I behave, you are very much mistaken! You really have no right to assume! How dare you imply that I expect the whole world to change for me!! You can call a spade a spade as much as you like, Jerama (Remember Wilde’s quote: I hate vulgar realism… the man who could call a spade a spade should be compelled to use one. ..). But, either you have omitted most of my posts or you were reading someone else’s! Yes, I have written a few negative ones when I‘ve been struggling and deeply depressed (even then I often try to include humour) but they are in the minority, most of my messages, during the last five years, have been written encouraging and supporting others.

    Tess dear, please don’t worry. Jerama’s words don’t distress me any more! I’m too busy dealing with ones closer to home. Thank you for your kind support, your friendship is very special. There are times I wonder (like today) whether the stress I occasionally encounter on this forum is actually worthwhile. Then I think of you and the few very good friends I have become close to and realize that it is certainly worth taking a little flak for from time to time!

    I may spend some time in the attic, with or without Grace Poole, but I’ll be back!

    Fri Jan 28 2011 15:21:40 #
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    P.S. Jerama, where did I state that ALL my experiences had been so bad and so negative?!!

    Fri Jan 28 2011 15:33:34 #
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    You've been very good to me, Tricia since I've been on the forum. I'm so grateful for your friendship. I only hope I have offered at least some support in return.

    Fri Jan 28 2011 16:27:41 #
  8. Jerama
    Your coments that you made to Tricia were judgemental and mean comments that I would expext from someone without OCD. I have told people I have OCD and have had the same reaction as Tricia. I have really wanted to support the ocd awareness week but have tremendous fears about doing so. I actually told a small group of people last night and was left feeling really bad and wishing I hadn't. Jerama when you point the finger their are always three finger pointing back at you.

    Fri Jan 28 2011 20:07:20 #
  9. Heltz
    wanted this as a seperate post, you do offer a lot of support at times when things are really difficult to you.
    Take carexx

    Fri Jan 28 2011 20:08:29 #
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    Thank you.

    Fri Jan 28 2011 20:36:48 #
  11. Tricia,

    I most definitely do not wish to involve myself in any of the bad feeling that is at work here. I only wanted to let you know that I am absolutely horrified at the way you have been treated by the people you have told about your OCD.

    Mostly, I have found people to be supportive, but I have felt an undercurrent of something amongst some.

    Whether or not what I am about to say will help I don't know, but please, please do not ever let anyone make you feel badly about yourself. We did not ask for this condition, and given a choice would happily let go of it forever. I truly hope that you find a way to let your loved ones understand how deeply upsetting OCD is, but if that never happens, I hope that you will re gain your own self esteem and get stronger every day.

    You are a survivor to live with this thing. Never forget that.

    Fri Jan 28 2011 21:06:46 #
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    Helz, I agree with Teresa. You have not been with us that long, but you have given more support to others than many older members have been able to do in many years. It has upset me when certain threads of late have caused you distress. Particularly that attack on us all which made you worry that you were being selfish by having OCD. You are the complete opposite and it's a pleasure to have you as a friend.

    Teresa, I know you have experienced similar and I think it naturally makes us wary. The psychologist I used to see (although stressing that there should be absolutely no stigma attached to having OCD) told me honestly that if he had the condition he would be very reluctant to tell his friends. He looks forward to a future without ignorance and stigma, but, until then, we do have to consider the effect on our lives as individuals if we speak out.

    Aronralstonismyhero (I hope I’ve spelt that correctly! Just looked up Aron, I recall his story and I understand your choice of username now). It is most distressing being told on this forum that I actually would rather be the victim and have no intention of overcoming OCD. I’ve been told this twice over the years (by the same person). At least the members of my family, who regard me as an embarrassment, observe my efforts and have never doubted my strength of character, nor my will to improve.

    I should add, that although I will speak my mind on this forum, I do not relish conflict amongst members and I in no way wish anyone to feel the need to defend me when this occasionally occurs. I hate to drag others into this kind of unpleasantness. I did not begin this thread to stir up trouble, but to say we need to be wary of telling others, because of the reactions we might encounter.

    Jerama, Apart from unkindly, and incorrectly, stating that I want the world to change to accommodate me, you added ‘I am so sorry for her but I feel she is determined not to let things get better no matter what she might say’. No longer do your judgemental words reduce me to a quivering wreck over the keyboard, risking fusing the electrics. You don’t know me, so kindly keep your judgemental opinions to yourself. And please, please, I do not need your pity.

    Sat Jan 29 2011 12:29:37 #
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    Thank you, Tricia.

    Sat Jan 29 2011 13:52:25 #
  14. I have recently as most of you know moved to a new area, we are also nearer to my husbands family. When we lived further away my ocd was easier to keep hidden. Now it is so difficult as my mother in law and sister in law both are trying to get me out and about socialising with them. Its hard as i dont want to appear rude but especially as my ocd is at the moment i cannot socialise with anyone its even difficult when i am with my husband.

    I at the moment am very reluctant to explain why i am like this to my husbands relatives for fear of them not understanding as in the past when i have told so called friends the friendship then seemed to fizzle out. I cannot always hide my ocd and when i was with my friends some of them did pick up on things and thought me strange and i cannot cope with that. Since i have moved i have had severe ocd symptons although i am on medication again i am still somewhat of a recluse no where near the person i once was. I too think it is risky telling others about my ocd but that is just my opinion. Once spoken about if the person you try to tell doesnt understand it could easily backfire. Please dont anyone take this as gospel it is just my opinion (another one of my ocd symptons is posting on here and the fear of upsetting others which is not what i intend).

    Just my thought on the situation i will have to think very carefully about telling my inlaws but i may not have a choice as at the moment i think i am being seen as a bit odd anyway as i wont go anywhere without my husband (he is such a sweetheart). This is probably because i can trust in him that if i have a ocd moment i know he will be able to understand and not judge me like others have in the past.

    Take care all
    Tizzkins

    Sat Jan 29 2011 21:39:56 #
  15. It seems that most of you hav not understood my post and add to that the fact that you have got it easy in the UK. You can get away with doing what your OCD says because you have the choice. I live nd wotrk in an environment wher you have to do what you are told and do what has to be done. I have just seen a bus laod of people blown up, about 16 perhaps more an just because they have a different religion. We have so far recovered body parts enough to make 16 adults and children, 2 familes we think but it may be more than 16. I dont like this and my ocd repels me but I have to overcome it and do it. You only see the soft censored side, not the gory reality that the BBC wants to show in parts of tghe world you probly never heard of. People out her don't have the choice they have to get on with life and take what opportunities they can and they are just usiually to survive.

    Sorry, don't want to offend Tricia or anyone. I dont have time to post properly, not allowed internet out here and have to use a fix on the phone but limited to 10 minutes

    have to go now sorry about speling

    J

    Sat Jan 29 2011 22:16:22 #
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    Jerama, I am truly at a loss to understand your link to OCD and the unspeakable tragedies you included in that paragraph. This thread was merely my observations on the reaction of some to conditions such as ours and my reluctance to confide in anyone else.

    I suppose you are trying to say that OCD is a very different (lower) level of suffering from the carnage you have described. Someone here once brought up the Holocaust, implying that we should look back to this evil event and, by doing so, our condition would miraculously improve, perhaps by a realization that we somehow have it easy here in Britain in 2011, compared to then, as you are now implying.

    I will repeat what I said to a man who brought up the Holocaust on this forum. I know someone who was in hospital with a Holocaust survivor. Hearing of this fragile lady’s struggle with her OCD and her words about the past, helped me to realize that OCD is often a far greater torture than 99.9% of the population will ever be able to contemplate. She has experienced both and has the right to make a comparison.

    A friend of mine once spoke of her shame, suffering with obsessions and compulsions, when millions were dying horrendous deaths. Her therapist explained that suffering is relative. Taking nothing away from such horrors, let’s return to OCD and awareness etc.

    Jerama, I am sorry that you feel I have not understood your message. We have both written so much, but let me just separate a few comments of yours that I disagree with and find upsetting, next to each I will write why. Perhaps, when you have the time, you can explain what you did actually mean. I have included a few of your old quotes which I also struggle with.

    “Everyone can beat their OCD if they want to and have the will to so.” - I realize this is your view, but I do not happen to agree with it.

    “The difference between you and I is that I have "been there done that".” - I found that remark unacceptable. How do you know whether I have also been there and done it?

    “I must confess that I often say things in a seemingly abrupt manner and I am sorry if that offends, but that is part of the way I am and part of the way people with OCD often are.” - In my experience few people with OCD do have that attitude.

    “Perhaps it is the way we portray our condition or the way that we tackle it, if indeed we do tackle it at all that makes the difference in the way that others see us. In a recent post someone said that it was expected that the whole world should change to accommodate the person's OCD. This is quite unreasonable. I'm sorry, but I call a spade a spade, and from reading Tricia’s posts over the years I have come to the conclusion that this is the situation with her.” - It is not and never has been my view and I take great exception to your saying it.

    “I am so sorry for her but I feel she is determined not to let things get better no matter what she might say.” - As I have already said, I don’t want you (or anyone else for that matter) to feel sorry for me. Again, you are making the assumption that I do not want to improve and I take even more exception to that statement!!

    “Much of the problem is due to the perception of OCD - you know, it's just a bit of hand washing and perfection - the sort of thing David Beckham is supposed to have, which is not OCD.” - Actually, I have found something I do agree with. The perception of OCD is to blame for so much misunderstanding. However, I know much has been said about David Beckham here, and it may or may not be correct. Most seem to feel his OCD is mild and he is doing us no favours by speaking about it. I would not want to make such a judgement about David Beckham, or anyone else, he may keep very much of his OCD hidden from the world and may be suffering greatly.

    No need for any apology for spelling errors, by the way!

    Sun Jan 30 2011 15:03:00 #
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    Liz, Good to see you here. Thank you so much for the thread you began a while back. I would have written on it, but didn't want to make it appear that I was deliberately 'bumping it up'!

    I do hope that you will continue to make progress this year. Roll on spring!

    Tricia x

    Sun Jan 30 2011 15:05:14 #
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    I’ve been giving the subject of awareness a great deal of thought over the last few days. I’ve just asked a friend, a professional lady with OCD, how many people she has told of her condition and the reply was ‘only a few‘. She is cautious about confiding in people for the same reason that I am.

    I know OCD Action has its schools’ project. My belief is that this should probably be priority in raising awareness - for three reasons. Firstly, there are obviously many at school who are suffering with their obsessions and compulsions, trying to hide them and their embarrassment from the world, who are not even aware that they have a common, recognized condition and one for which there is help.

    Secondly, I have found young people can be less prejudiced when conditions like ours are explained to them. We can help to educate the younger generation, and the stigma surrounding mental health will decrease.

    Thirdly, I experienced some adverse reactions to my obsessions at school, especially my perfectionism. I was always erasing work and was slow to complete assignments in class. My teachers were totally unaware of the reason for this, and one actually became very annoyed with me. I am not suggesting that teachers become amateur psychologists, but I feel (as does a teacher friend of mine) that they can often be the first to observe such problems.

    I didn’t mention the following when I began this thread. However, the most important person I ‘lost’ because of my OCD was my mother-in-law (many might consider that a blessing! However, she and I were actually close). I didn’t confide in her, but my husband did. She never spoke to me again, other than to tell me to have myself locked away in a ‘lunatic asylum’.

    Her words distressed me and I made an appointment to see my GP. I literally begged him to have me admitted to the local psychiatric hospital. I won’t repeat his words, because they were quite shocking, especially coming from a doctor. He used the most derogatory terms for mental illness. He did add that OCD was not in this category and there was absolutely no reason for me to be shut away, just because my mother-in-law demanded it.

    My husband eventually stopped speaking to his mother because of her refusal to communicate with me. This continued right until her death, fourteen years later. It meant our young children were prevented from seeing their grandmother. This whole situation distressed me greatly (and still does) and as soon as my children were old enough to visit their grandmother on their own I encouraged this. Sadly, she only lived another eighteen months.

    Tue Feb 1 2011 13:24:52 #
  19. Can I just say that I agree with tricia about the ocd in schools projects, I have trouble with it myself, and I know 1 other who has ocd on a similar level than me, and 1 who thinks she might. They, like me have trouble at school, and I think that teens and children can be more judgemental than adults, and that they should be aware of the condition because some statistics say that more people have ocd in their teens and not even know, and then they can take steps to getting rid of it
    Ella

    Tue Feb 1 2011 16:38:11 #
  20. Also, wheres that community spirit gone? we should support people, not put offending comments!

    Tue Feb 1 2011 16:50:34 #
  21. In my experience everyones ocd rears its ugly head in different ways, no two people are the same, nobody responds to treatments the same. If we could all be better after certain therapys....medications then it would be great, reality is that this doesnt happen, people are suffering. Tricia a very dear friend of mine, has suffered a lot, but always has been there to talk to me when i have been at my lowest times, i could even go as far as to say she has saved my life......So i would like to say thankyou Tricia, and when anyone makes comments about you just ignore my dear, have they spent a day in your shoes ??????? NO x

    Wed Feb 2 2011 11:34:04 #
  22. i just wanted to say,
    since i joined here last year,Tricia has been exceptionaly supportive to me...
    she goes out of her way to phone me and find out how i am.. her life is far from easy..and i think that anyone who has the idea that it is...needs to spend "a day in her shoes" to quote from another members post above.
    And even if she did feel negative one day in a year...so...isnt she entitled to?
    Come on for God's sake, what are some people about here?
    i think that Tricia indeed, does make people aware in her own way..subtly...and ofcourse she has had very bad experiences(not to be made light of)i know what it is like to become "a non person" simply by trying to be who i am...not just by my ocd..so its all relative..ocd is hard enough to accept in one's self... but when we try to be honest with those (who should love us)according to societies perfect image of human life...and we get total rejection..in my books thats very major.my own, "negative" experiences in life coupled with my ocd ..have lead me to become a virtual recluse...i no longer have the desire to be out and about in the world..so i totaly get where Tricia...is coming from...she has had YEARS of inner turmoil and lets face it,been at the receiving end of some rotten behaviour on the part of other people..And to come through all that and still a lovely person..is more than many people could do..on the whole i think that Tricia..is exceptionaly kind and an example of a gifted warm compassionate soul..i think she is exceptionaly brave in many ways..i have told no one about my ocd..except medical people and those on here obviously..IT IS a difficult thing to do..Tricia explores many aspects of ocd that so many of us..try to avoid or do not have the mental energy for...she is a valuable member here let no one deride her without knowing her.

    Wed Feb 2 2011 16:41:36 #
  23. Tricia has been an incredibly supportive friend to me since I met her on here and I don't think anybody should write on these forums something that is bound to upset someone so incredibly thoughtful and selfless.

    I disagree strongly with one thing you say Jerama - we don't 'have it easy' here in the UK. Okay, we may not be a war torn country, and we live fairly comfortable lives but you should never for one second imply that our OCD is unjusified just because we have freedom here. We are not ignorant of what is happening in the world. I certainly do not 'get away' with doing what my OCD says, I am frightened to death of it happening, therefore I go to extraordinary lengths to avoid it, and I'm sure if we had the choice we would choose not to have to be upset, anxious, and panicked every single day. Every single person is different and suffers in a different way, and you should only post on here if you want to support others not judge them please. Thanks

    Sun Feb 6 2011 18:32:06 #
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    I just wanted to thank everyone for their support here, I am deeply touched.

    One piece of good news, the latest distant cousin, whom I feared I had frightened off, has been in touch. She didn’t mention my not being able to meet up because of my OCD and I will definitely avoid saying any more about it. I don’t believe I am being negative, just wary.

    By the way, I’ve broken out of the attic and Grace Poole has been sacked (by me!). I told my husband, last night, that I am sick of the name calling. I don’t know how many here tolerate their spouses using derogatory names for them e.g. nutter, basket case, fruit cake, number 3 or a number 4 (ref. 1891 and 1901 censuses) etc. but I’ve decided that I’ve had enough!

    This is not a negative message, but a very positive one!

    Mon Feb 14 2011 14:51:26 #
  25. well enough can certainly be enough, Tricia..
    we all have a breaking point as they say... in my case it took years before i broke...in my relationship...i know thats not the case with you... but i just mean that some people fly off the handle immediately about the least thing..folk like us tend to simmer inside...you will know what i mean...
    we tend to lose ourselves in our ocd issues so much that we forget how we should be treated by others...and perhaps if we were non ocders.. we would be quicker to protect ourselves..glad something worked for you!

    Mon Feb 14 2011 17:37:41 #
  26. Hi,
    I too have made a decision to end a friendship with a couple who are very predujiced about me. I can choose my freinds

    Mon Feb 14 2011 18:44:07 #
  27. Good for you Teresa.

    Mon Feb 14 2011 18:49:48 #
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    Sorry, I’ve only just noticed the latest messages here.

    Paul, I know what you endured and I am sorry you suffered for so long in your relationship.

    I agree with, Tess. Good for you, Teresa!

    Sun Feb 20 2011 15:10:26 #
  29. Hi,
    Well done Tricia keep on in theirxx

    Mon Feb 21 2011 13:08:25 #

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