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    Sadly, some people with OCD are blind to the concerns of others. I have met three such people in my life who are totally self-obsessed. Unfortunately, they seem unaware of how they treat others.

    On my birthday, I awoke at 8.15 to the desperate hammering on my front door. I had hoped for a lie-in, but jumped out of bed in sheer panic. Two very dirty workmen were walking around my front garden peering up at the window. I was shaking with fear, having no idea what they were doing. Whatever it was, they were already contaminating 'my space'. For twenty years, I have had my front door sealed with silicone, so afraid am I of contaminated air entering the house, so there was no way I could open it. I desperately tried to focus my eyes on the phone number on their vehicle, but couldn’t make it out. I had to resort to drawing the curtain aside, something I can’t even touch normally, because I feel they are contaminated. I was shaking and crying and had been sick with fear. I still couldn’t focus on the phone number through my tears. Eventually, I read the number and repeated it constantly while I scrubbed my hands. I couldn’t touch a pen to write down the number, while my hands were dirty. I was so terrified I could barely speak, so I called my husband and tried to explain to him what was wrong and asked him to phone the number.

    I stood transfixed at the bedroom window, watching the workmen’s every move. I had taken off my nightdress so as not to contaminate it and only realized, three hours later, that I was still totally naked. I had actually been peering out of the window like this, so great was my fear I was unaware.
    The workmen seemed to be dealing with a blocked sewer, next-door. Unfortunately, they parked their tanker across our driveway and left a dreadful mess behind (cleaned next-door’s driveway and left it looking spotless). Despite the fact the windows are never open, the stench drifted into the bedroom. My birthday was turning into one of my worst nightmares.

    I received a call from a friend and was not able to answer the phone, because I was sobbing too much. As soon as I was able I phoned the person back. I assumed he was calling to wish me a happy birthday, but he was only interested in explaining about a problem he had with a friend. He could tell I was distressed and I briefly explained. I received an ‘oh’ and then my problem was ignored. The next day I received another call, and not one word was spoken about my problem - back we went to his…

    I cannot face the task of cleaning the mess in front of the drive and I am terrified of our car running through it…I am also unable to go into the front porch, where we have a box for the post, because the workmen ‘contaminated’ there.

    Perhaps I should have more tolerance for people when they use me and never give anything in return, but I believe it’s actually time I did toughen up. Like any relationship, friendship has to be a two way affair.

    Sorry if the title of the thread offends. I am not contemplating such action, because I wouldn't leave my daughter. However, but for her...

    An old 78 record my grandfather played included those words and I didn't understand them at the time.

    Sun Mar 20 2011 12:30:01 #
  2. tricia, i am so sorry to hear about your awful ordeal on your birthday
    thinking about you,
    love brennie x

    Sun Mar 20 2011 13:01:22 #
  3. Hi Tricia,

    I spoke to you a couple of hours after you had spoken to the other person and though you had calmed down I could tell by your voice that you were still distressed.
    My heart went out to you as this is the second birthday in a row where something happened to reduce you to tears.
    I agree any relationship has to be two way or it isn't a relationship. You know where I am if you need to talk and you know that I'll listen and try to help.

    Sun Mar 20 2011 13:04:59 #
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    I know, Trudy, you always do. I will bounce back. I also need finally to take heed of the words of my English teacher 'Patricia, you act like a door mat and people will always wipe their feet on you'. With my contamination issues and fear of shoes, it's really time I pulled that mat up!

    I've yet to discover why this occurs, if someone shows me a kindness I want to return it and be a good friend to them - not use them. I know that you are one of those rare individuals who gives far more than you take.

    Bren dear, I do worry so about you. It's a joy to see you here, but you appear infrequently and I worry that your depression has worsened. You are one of those people who have given so much to the forum over the years, but who seems to vanish when you are in need yourself. Once again you have turned up in support of me and you will never know how much that means! It really helps me to know that even though true friends are rare, they are around and are to be treasured.

    Bless you both.

    Tricia xx

    Sun Mar 20 2011 13:25:01 #
  5. tricia, i will always regard you as my dear friend, i will never forget how supportive you were to me during my stay in hospital, you are right i dont appear as much on the forum as i used too, this is because i am so ill at the moment,my depression is awful. I did not realise just how bad OCD could get until its happened to me in the last year, i am almost a recluse these days tricia, i cannot even let anybody in my home in fear of they might touch/move something.i think about you often with love.
    take care tricia
    love brennie x

    Sun Mar 20 2011 14:52:24 #
  6. Hi Tricia... This is all so unfair on you... It almost looks like you've been set up to fail... Just as I feel about myself sometimes...
    It's almost as if people know when we are at our most vulnerable, and then take the chance to give us triggers and spikes that most non sufferers would struggle with, never mind sufferers like us...
    I do so wish it was easier for you... The thing with the sewer being sorted out next door would have been pure coincidence, but that doesn't bring solace to the you OCD sufferer in that immediate vicinity, and then the workmen being less than sympathetic, and appearing to have deliberately left mess near your driveway, just has to be heartless... I wonder so much why people in the street don't care... (A phone call to the cleansing dept at your local council may get it cleared for free, as the job wasn't fully completed next door) Maybe it isn't that hazardous, well, not to them, but when the OCD sufferer can have a problem with just a door handle, then the stress level is off the scale with the effects of the trigger...
    And yet you're one who is so willing to help others with our worries on here... Maybe if your husband could get hold of one of those pressure washer things, hose the driveway down... But I guess, as it is in the street itself, it is a local authority job.
    I wonder so much why it is the nicer ones in society who seem to have such a bad time of things... Life is so cruel... All I can say right now is, hang in there as best you can, and maybe get to your GP? I realise this means getting the driveway sorted first, but help for you is needed here I think...
    I remember when we had workmen at our house, and when I explained to them about my OCD they just couldn't relate to me at all. looked at me as if I was being silly, some sort of oddity... I suppose if they had got any real idea, they might have struggled with their jobs. It sure doesn't do much for our self-esteem does it?
    Just for now, let me wish you a happy belated birthday wish, to be used when you are having a better day, so you can treat yourself, to whatever you can cope with, to make you a better day. Give yourself a big hug right now, and tell yourself you are worth it, cos you are, and you've proved it...
    chat again soon,
    wannabe

    Sun Mar 20 2011 15:24:25 #
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    Thank you, Wannabe.

    Bren, I am so very worried about you. I'll send an e-mail.

    Just realized I was standing at the window, on my birthday, in my 'birthday suit'. God, what if the neighbours saw me? I am a prude as well. Just goes to show what fear can drive us to...I'm 54 and fat. Not a pretty sight.

    Sun Mar 20 2011 17:21:08 #
  8. Oh Tricia, hang on in there. Stay strong. I know you can be, like us all on this forum we have to be v strong people to even cope and deal with the illness itself, not alone all the sigma surrounding it.
    Love K.xxx

    Sun Mar 20 2011 17:21:52 #
  9. "I received an ‘oh’ and then my problem was ignored. The next day I received another call, and not one word was spoken about my problem - back we went to his…"

    learn to open up more... very few people are mind readers .

    Sun Mar 20 2011 20:51:21 #
  10. Just realized I was standing at the window, on my birthday, in my 'birthday suit'.

    Gee Tricia, you've just made me realise that once I've showered and I've dried myself I quickly (well as quickly as the OCD will permit) go to the kitchen to check the taps are off and the fridge freezer is shut etc and then I go and put on my nightie and get into bed. My kitchen is in the front of the house and there is a bus stop outside my flat which is on the first floor (my flat that is not the bus stop ).
    Now I'm wondering if when the bus stops the people on the top deck of the bus can see me standing in my kitchen checking the taps in the buff
    Oh the scrapes that our OCD gets us into

    Sun Mar 20 2011 21:07:05 #
  11. Blueboy, I need to ask... What is happening in your world... I want so to understand and help you... Are these phone calls you are recieving? Is it a relative who seeks help from you, when to be fair, it is you who is really seeking the help from them? It might help to have an ansaphone connected, so you can hear who is calling, and decide whether or not to pick up the phone then and then, or call them back later... We ended up doing this in my home cos of banks and salespeople... I sense that, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that As a caring person, you have in the past been the one to help people, the one that others felt able to turn to when they needed a listening ear, but now, now it's you who, like me, needs the reassurance, the support...
    And unfortunately, these we helped in the past, still need the help, but we are no longer the ones to give it?
    Tricia, Trudy, please forgive me for this funny thought(!) If it had been me at the window, on my birthday, in my birthday suit, all I'd have needed was a cake with candles on it to complete my image for those outside(!) I just try to picture their faces! And anyway, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And we are all beautiful, all of us, each in our own unique way...
    And to cope with OCD, we are probably more special than we take ourselves for... We must be, cos that's why we're aware of suffering so much...This illness just doesn't affect those who don't care...

    Sun Mar 20 2011 21:44:39 #
  12. no i have nobody in this country who phones me...
    i let one person... into my world here and as with all in my past, i was betrayed... rubbished...
    what's the point?

    Sun Mar 20 2011 21:50:11 #
  13. ok i forgot her birthday,
    i needed help, she didnt .. open up, but kept a stiff upper lip.. am i to be hanged for this?

    Sun Mar 20 2011 21:58:58 #
  14. Absolutely not, blueboy... Absolutely not...
    You are a valuable caring special person, and if the person you spoke to on the phone can't accept that, then there's not a lot you can do above what you've already done for them... As you've said, you've asked them for help, and then it just turns to them wanting yours, when you are already having enough to deal with of your own...
    Your help is here now... Right here... On this website...
    A shared understanding is the only way anyone can help us...
    just as If a car needs fixing, the best person would be a mechanic, home waterworks, a plumber, etc. etc. then oyur best help is here... Right here... Where you yourself have actually helped others too. I guess the point is, as a child of the universe, you have a right to be here...
    We have a shared understanding on here, togehter, you and I, and everyone else on here... Let's all try to move forward together? It just has to be worth it... I don't know why we suffer here on earth, but somehow there has to be a point to it all... Just a thought, have a look on youtube, check out Desiderata, by Les Crane, with the words on screen...
    I'm gonna go and do that right now, for me...
    Chat again later...
    wannabe

    Sun Mar 20 2011 22:16:11 #
  15. thanks for some understanding

    Sun Mar 20 2011 22:32:39 #
  16. "Perhaps I should have more tolerance for people when they use me and never give anything in return,"
    did i not support you on this forum?
    this is so unfair, these charges levied against me

    Sun Mar 20 2011 23:41:17 #
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    I realize some will think (and say) ‘she’s off on one again‘, but where else can we express the evil effects of this wretched condition?

    I have been accused of being negative, pessimistic and even selfish, on this forum, on occasion. If anyone bothers to trawl back over the past five and a half years, they will see I have given and been as positive as I can be, far more frequently than I have wallowed (also been accused of that here once).

    Trudy and I were discussing the few times we off load on here. We both agree we do more than our share of trying to support others. We also discussed the unjust reaction of a few to our more ‘negative’ messages. Trudy and I can’t have days away, let alone holidays. We have no hobbies, no social life. Apart from this forum, which obviously is related to OCD, our days are spent struggling to exist with our OCD. We also have physical conditions which impact greatly on this. When depression is added to the mix, and unexpected and difficult circumstances also thrown in, life does become unbearable.

    Most people with OCD have a very positive outlook on life. Those of us who have the condition severely simply wouldn’t survive without this. OCD is by definition very negative. No obsession (in the medical sense) is anything other than negative, it literally means to besiege. When we also suffer deep depression, it’s no wonder some of us are unable to see much light through the continual onslaught of negativity.

    Paradoxically, I also seem to be chastised for the reverse, which is trying to remain cheerful by looking for that light at the end of a dark tunnel. Several times I have been criticized for my humour. Also, some people are unable to appreciate I have any problems at all, because I am able to appear in control (most of the time!) I once left a message on a friend’s answer phone and there was a fault. My message came back to me. I was horrified by my negative, monotone voice and decide then and there, no matter how depressed I feel, I won’t allow my voice to show it. Yes, I know, I now save it all for the written word!

    I do realize that no-one can truly empathize with another, it just isn’t humanely possible. I know many believe my internal thermostat has gone wrong, because I am unable to wear outer clothes. The menopause has created some hot flushes, but, alas, not hot enough to compensate when the weather is freezing. My husband told me, just last week, I can’t be that cold otherwise I would put something on. He simply cannot appreciate the level of fear. It’s been a particularly harsh winter for many of us, but still I exist in my underwear, even when I feel I will die of hypothermia because of it. When I am outside doing my washing, dressed like that, it feels as if the north wind will cut me in half. Sometimes I break down in the garden and sob hysterically, so great is the pain. Yet the fear is even greater…

    I have been told it’s unacceptable to speak of suicide. I personally don’t feel this is the case. I have also been told it’s the most selfish of acts. That is debatable. Others say it’s a criminal act in the eyes of God. I do not believe in the Catholic view of suicide. I agree with the wonderful Desmond Tutu - no-one should be blamed if the suffering simply becomes too much and he or she decides to ‘throw in the towel’. God is not going to punish anyone for taking that route - which is a far from ‘easy’ one.

    I’m not sure it is selfish, either. I have been a burden on my family since the day I was born - probably that‘s more selfish. My mother has described my neurosis, which even at a week old was quite apparent. My childhood was one of fear and psychiatrists (who had no understanding or sympathy). There was also utter despair and guilt knowing I was causing my parents pain. But I could not control my fears and obsessions.

    I have passed this dreadful burden on to my husband. On my birthday (with the sewer episode) he could not cope. He has finally, after thirty years, had enough. He said he still loves me, but he hates the OCD and can take no more - I can see he is on the verge of a breakdown. I could save him a great deal of pain, effort and expense by going. I am too ill to move out of my home and live elsewhere. My son would view my departure as a mere hiccup in his life. My daughter is my greatest worry, but, because she is closest to me, I am unable to fool her with my clown routine. She knows the level of fear and suffering and she is prepared to let me go. Much the same as I reached a point where I wanted my father to die, because I knew he was in so much pain.

    I am not going to make another botched suicide attempt - failed three times already. One disgraceful attempt was by driving my car into the path of a lorry. It was only the look of sheer terror on the driver’s face that made me pull back to my side of the road at the last second. Selfish and unforgivable, I know. I am looking into whether Switzerland will still help people like me. I know there is controversy over ending the lives of people with mental conditions, even life-long ones, and it’s possible they will turn me down. I may have left that too long, I would have been accepted two years ago, because I looked into it.

    Please, I truly don’t want pity, that is not why I have written this. I know many of you are suffering just as badly as me. The forum has become a little unpleasant of late, with a private dispute spilling onto the forum. I know this is inexcusable. I also want to explain that I will be away from the forum for a while. I don’t yet know what the outcome of my enquiries will be, but I will remain in touch with Trudy by phone and she will be able to update you.

    I won’t flounce off in one of my huffs this time, even if negative things are said. By the way, I have recently realized I may have offended ‘old’ friends. It has been worrying me that the couple of times I have unregistered, they obviously would have been deleted automatically. As I came back, a few may not have realized I had gone off in a strop, only to return. I have never deleted anyone, so if you have been removed, that will be why. Sorry!

    Mon Mar 21 2011 8:41:22 #
  18. Oh Tricia
    I am at a complete loss as to know what to say to this, I understand the depth of your suffering but suicide is never the end, it is another beginning in which the suffering is dispersed and especially amongst everyone you love most. I know both sides, I attempted suicide myself several times when I was younger and I know how it feels to get to that place - but I have seen the other side too and I would willingly go back to that previous place of personal suffering to have my son back.
    I don't consider suicide selfish but neither do I consider burdening others with our OCD selfish as long as we have accepted treatment for our condition which I know you have done Tricia. It's not our fault that treatments in the past were at best useless and at worst damaging, in fact I don't see why we shouldn't allow ourselves a bit of pride that we did our own bit in the development of more effective therapies to help others. In our darkest moments suicide can seem like an answer to everything but in reality it doesn't work that way.
    Tricia you have demonstrated on this forum that despite crippling OCD you have huge resources to offer to others. Your husband loves you - after 30 years of the living hell of OCD he must see huge worth in you or he would have gone years ago and especially because he has no personal experience of the intensity of the OCD fears so he cannot empathise in the way another sufferer can.
    You say God is not going to punish anyone for taking their life. There is another argument that you are here for a purpose, if you believe in God you will also believe he is quite capable of taking your life back when it is no longer needed on earth.

    Mon Mar 21 2011 11:03:31 #
  19. Now a message for Paul
    Sometimes it reaches a point when two people who have been mutually supportive go downhill and then the negativity just feeds off itself. It doesn't mean betrayal or that anyone is at fault - it just happens. It happens frequently in my marriage, last night my husband was like a bear with a sore head because he felt I hadn't considered his feelings and I had a lousy night with several nightmares. So this morning we had one of our war conferences and dissected what had gone wrong - and it was all down to poor communication.
    The secret of resolving these relationship difficulties is to try not to take it personally because that will inevitably lead to increasing stress and probably an argument or even worse - a monumental bust up.
    You are obviously very upset and feel betrayed and unfairly judged but this is what your own mind is telling you. Drinking is not the solution, it is a quick fix and then makes things feel even worse. Try to reduce your stress levels, do something you usually enjoy and hopefully you will start to feel a little better.

    Mon Mar 21 2011 11:29:32 #
  20. Thank you, Tess,
    i appreciate the understanding..
    i have had very bad ocd of late also..
    and other problems to boot..
    but i would never call another ocd sufferer a whiner..
    as tricia labelled me..
    we could say that about her post above..
    but who would?
    yet.. i have to take all that is thrown at me..
    just think it wasnt fair.

    Mon Mar 21 2011 12:30:14 #
  21. "Nothing will come 'into place' as you worded it, unless you change your attitude of playing the victim. I have two friends who were repeatedly raped by step-fathers as very young girls and gone on to experience other horrors as adults. Neither of them whines. Count your blessings, Paul and stop your whining."
    quote from tricia..
    is this a fair comparison?
    so do not wonder that i am upset.. or think it is all in my mind. if i "whine"... then what does that make other ocd sufferers?..the damage done to me.. here is beyond anyone's understanding.. as it is so very personal..i only hope it doesnt happen to anyone else.

    Mon Mar 21 2011 12:41:50 #
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    I am not prepared to copy the awful e-mail onto this forum which resulted in my rather harsh reply to Paul. It is unfair on others.

    Tess, there was nothing mutually supportive, as you well know.

    For the sake of other forum members I hope this thread is closed.

    Mon Mar 21 2011 13:06:28 #
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    I have learned a very valuable lesson today. Keep the 'stiff upper lip' that Paul stressed I have, at ALL times.

    And Tess, I truly believe that suicide is sometimes the only release from unbearable pain. Sorry, I understand your views and realize why you feel as you do. But, each of us has a right to opt out.

    Mon Mar 21 2011 13:11:07 #
  24. having read tricia's above post,
    i do wonder... did she give any thought at all to the innocent..
    person she would possably be injuring (or worse) when she wanted to drive her car in the path of a lorry.

    Mon Mar 21 2011 13:13:57 #
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    At that moment, no, Paul. Which is precisely why I said it was selfish and unforgivable.

    Mon Mar 21 2011 13:15:42 #
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    And I will carry that guilt until the day I die...

    Mon Mar 21 2011 13:17:02 #
  27. so i "play the victim"
    what a sweeping disparaging remark..

    Mon Mar 21 2011 13:20:06 #
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    Mon Mar 21 2011 13:21:37 #

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