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    Bit of a random topic, I suppose, but I've just been thinking about they ways in which characters with OCD are portrayed in TV shows. I've seen 2 different examples recently- the title character in a show called Monk, who has severe OCD and solves crimes, and a doctor in Scrubs, also with severe OCD. They are both presented quite differently, as the first's OCD is played mostly for laughs and the second's is more to make the audience see the seriousness of the illness. Obviously the second is preferable, to me anyway. I actually used to love the show Monk and laugh at his "kooky" habits, but now I can see how bad it would actually be for him and I can't watch it in the same way anymore. I feel so bad for finding this condition funny, maybe I'm being punished now.

    Anyway, I just wondered if anyone else has come across OCD characters on TV/in films/books etc., and liked/disliked the way they were portrayed?

    Fri Feb 26 2010 21:04:42 #
  2. There's Joseph Byrne the surgeon in Holby City, his OCD apart from needing things to be just so manifests itself when he's stressed by being unable to stop washing his hands. Even when he was scrubbing up he couldn't stop washing his hands. The anguish that he shows as a result has at times been well portrayed.

    Then yet another doctor in a drama with OCD is Jimmi Clay in Doctors. He too has contamination OCD and it yet again manifests itself when he's stressed. Of all the portrayals of OCD his has probably been the best as it has shown many of the facets of OCD, the impact that it has on the individual and those around them. It has shown him trying to hide it, then opening up to his colleagues and then them trying to help him.

    Fri Feb 26 2010 21:29:54 #
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    Ah yes, I remember the one from Doctors now, and yes, from what I've seen it's been quite well done. I find the idea of doctors having OCD quite interesting, especially if they have contamination OCD. It's a job I could never do, then again I couldn't do it even if didn't have OCD.

    Fri Feb 26 2010 21:37:12 #
  4. There was a big discussion about this a while back on the other list i belong to...opinions about 'Monk' even went to a study...I will see if I can get the results. And Helz...you arent being punished for laughing. Its meant to be funny, and if we cant laugh at ourselves a bit...we're ina world of hurt.
    I saw a show about a guy who couldnt hug his daughter in a court show once. I was a kid and I thought 'for heaven's sake crazy! Just HUG her!!!' I wondered if it was punishment when I hit the worst of my OCD and had a hard time hugging my kids when they came in from ouside. I was in anguish because my heavens...they are my babies! It was aweful. I thought ' I shouldnt have judged that character!' Well now that I've overcome it, I thank the heavens I had the experience so I have more compassion than I ever would have before. OCD has taught me a lot about people in general...for that I'm thankful. :)Doesnt feel like a punishment anymore. For that I'm thankful too!
    Andrea

    Sat Feb 27 2010 5:30:42 #
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    Glad you've overcome a lot, Andrea and come to learn something. I've certainly learnt much about not judging people and any problems that they have, because often it's not them, it's some condition that's making them do it.

    Sat Feb 27 2010 17:14:07 #
  6. Years ago when I first started watching Monk I must admit I found it funny that was until I realised that I was starting to copy some of his so called coping strategies For example I got the wipes idea and the putting things in plastic bags idea courtesy of him :( So I stopped watching for fear of following all his compulsions. I did however manage to watch it the other day to prove to myself that I could without copying any more of his compulsions. I succeeded and even had a laugh at me more than him

    Sat Feb 27 2010 17:33:35 #
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    Good to hear you managed to face it, Trudy, haha. I'll admit that a while ago when my OCD first started and I still watched it, he did give me ideas of how to "cope" as well.

    Sat Feb 27 2010 17:39:08 #
  8. Yes but now I could probably give him a few ideas I do like to share the good and the bad

    Sat Feb 27 2010 18:15:14 #
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    Yes, if Monk was real, I wonder if he would benefit from being on this forum, haha?

    Sat Feb 27 2010 18:16:56 #
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    Hmm, the whole cast of Eastenders, Coronation Street, Hollyoaks and any other major UK soap - I'm not saying they're OCD in real life, but the scripts catastrophise situations and make all the characters look like they suffer from pure-o.

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    Sun Feb 28 2010 19:06:54 #
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    Haha, yes, they're all pretty messed up! I always love how unrealistic soaps are, but if they reflected ordinary people's lives then they'd be boring I suppose.

    Sun Feb 28 2010 19:31:28 #
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    Nope, they'd probably be wifeswap. lol!

    Sun Feb 28 2010 21:06:48 #
  13. Don't think I could cope with Monk in real life, if he were on the forum he'd try to correct everything that we wrote

    Sun Feb 28 2010 21:12:55 #
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    Haha, yeah!

    Sun Feb 28 2010 21:18:11 #
  15. Still haven't forgiven Monk for the wet wipes or plastic bag ideas

    Sun Feb 28 2010 22:57:51 #
  16. Did anyone see 'As Good As It Gets', with Jack Nicholson (OCD) and Helen Hunt? I have it on oldfashioned videotape, so I will have to see if I can watch it soonish (haven't seen it yet).

    I read a great scientific article on OCD. The author bluntly, but rightfully wrote a warning: it amounted to 'the popular media have thwarted the view on OCD in the past decades, so that it is pictured as something funny, entertaining; and this depiction does no justice whatsoever to the grim reality that patients have to face on a daily basis'.

    He is right.

    Mon Mar 1 2010 11:13:57 #
  17. Ajjj I loove Monk!!!
    I have also seen As good as it gets with old lovely Jack. He is one of my favourites and I think this film was really worth seeing, the ocd is shown there pretty well and Jack made a great job acting a person with Obssesions and ritual.

    Mon Mar 1 2010 17:32:06 #
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    That is very true, Cuthbert, many people do see it as an "amusing" illness, like it's something quirky and fun.

    Mon Mar 1 2010 21:12:31 #
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    I didn’t like Jack Nicholson’s character at all and I don’t believe the film did us any favours. Not because it’s a comedy, but because the character is obnoxious and rude. A psychiatrist reviewing the film remarked that the character had OCPD. At least Bob, in the comedy 'What About Bob?' was very likeable, as is Monk.

    The pilot episode of Monk was incredibly moving. The first scene, where Monk displays his skills of detection, and yet is tormented by the obsession that he has left his oven on, was written and portrayed brilliantly. His remark in another scene about being in hell was also very well acted. The show went downhill rather, I feel, but the first few series were well written. Tony Shalhoub is an excellent actor and, apparently, gave the role considerable thought before agreeing to play Monk. The last thing he wanted to do was upset those of us with this debilitating condition. I see that BBC 2 began showing Monk on Saturdays again.

    Andrea, I have heard so much about the programme you spoke of, with the man who couldn’t hug his child. My friend (in America) watched it when her contamination fears were at their worst and there were times she couldn’t touch her young daughter, so this really struck a chord with her.

    Tue Mar 2 2010 15:32:05 #
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    Good to you slipping through again, Tricia and thanks for your thoughts.

    Tue Mar 2 2010 22:39:50 #
  21. Oh it was so heartwrenching to watch...he struggled so to just hug her, and this sweet little girl just wanted to know he loved her. She was so forgiving and hugged him and he cried....
    I've made it a goal to never OCD on my kids...its not fair to them...I had to fight like crazy for it, but I hold my babies and kiss em etc...even after theyve been tromping around at school. I know now its not as simple as just 'getting over it' or 'snapping out of it'...but it must be done...it simply must. That was my first priority with CBT.

    Andrea

    Wed Mar 3 2010 6:19:42 #
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    I hate when my family touch me and it makes me feel so sad and angry at myself. My mum gave me a big hug yesterday when I broke down but I kept thinking about how she was spreading germs on my back and in my hair. I explained a lot of things to her but I couldn't tell her that I don't like her touching me, it would have either really hurt her or made her angry.

    Wed Mar 3 2010 12:36:36 #
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    Helz, I’ll slip through once more, but I could be risking having the phone line removed! By the way, thanks for your comment. I agree with Andrea, you are most certainly not being punished for laughing at Monk. The friend I mentioned, previously, would not watch Monk when it first arrived on U.S. screens. It was billed as a comedy and she said there was nothing remotely funny in an illness that wrecks lives. My husband called me into the living room, years ago, and said there was a fruitcake like me on TV. I quickly became a fan of the TV fruitcake (Monk) and persuaded my American friend to give the show a chance. She is now one of its biggest fans and was desperate to obtain a Monk T-shirt when she attended one of the OCFoundation conferences. She can laugh at his antics even though she’s experienced all the pain. I fluctuate. There are scenes I have laughed out loud at, which when I am in a different frame of mind I see no humour in at all, only the devastation the illness causes.

    I have had a dilemma regarding humour and OCD, for many years. I was reprimanded quite severely on another forum for making light of an OCD experience I had endured. I was told there’s nothing remotely funny in this condition and obviously I don’t suffer it very badly. I have heard this comment more than once. I cannot sit to write this, there’s only one wooden chair I will sit on in my home, and I have been unable to wear anything other than underwear, even to do work outside, for many years. I’ve finished writing a book about my life with OCD and my husband is annoyed that I have included humour. I have asked people here, several times, whether they feel humour is acceptable. In the main, people think humour is not only acceptable, but essential for our survival. What clinched it for me, however, was one of our members, who has lost her son to this wretched condition. She has said we have to laugh. I feel indebted to this wonderful lady and regard her comment as the ‘permission’ I needed. I can take criticism from anywhere now over this subject. Helz, it’s an individual thing, but laugh when you can, it’s the best medicine!

    I can truly empathize with you over being hugged and your mum’s reaction if you told her not to. My mum finally understands (she’s 85) but she took offence for years, because I couldn’t be touched. There was a mixture of hurt and anger, as you described. The only ones not to appear hurt by my obsessions and compulsions are my children and my dogs (sadly no longer alive, but their empathy was amazing, especially as I developed a fear of them). Helz, please do not ever be angry with yourself.

    Andrea, I wish I could have watched the programme. My friend also said how heart-wrenching it was. You are a better person than me, Andrea. I am ashamed to say that my children had to fit around my rituals. I could never touch my children when they came home from school (apart from during my spell of therapy, which was disastrous). Even at other times, they would ask if they were clean enough for a hug. Sometimes, it was I who was too dirty. We had to be both dirty or both clean. On a television show, I was regarded by the programme’s presenter, and some audience members, with sheer disgust. I was an unfit mother and why my children love me so much I’ll never know. I am truly blessed that they haven’t abandoned me.

    Returning to Monk. That opening scene, where he fretted so over his oven, you could see the torment in Tony Shalhoub’s eyes, he had certainly done his research. The police officers on the scene had failed to observe the clues Monk did, despite his mind obsessing over the oven. He continually asked his nurse/assistant if she was sure he had turned the stove off. She saw him, but he delved deeper, as we do, did she hear the click etc. One police officer remarked to the other that Monk is the greatest living detective, and his colleague’s reply was ‘You call that living’.

    I know Howard Hughes’ suffering was very real and not a character made up for TV, but this made it all the more worrying that an audience in America found some very distressing scenes hilarious, when they were obviously not remotely amusing.

    A friend commented on this, and asked Professor Schwartz his views (he was an adviser on the Aviator). He felt the laughter was acceptable. He added that OCD sufferers can laugh at themselves. My friend pointed out there’s a world of difference between laughing at ourselves and others laughing at us. But, it’s a complicated and controversial subject. I think any light-hearted, entertainment programme, or film, whether we approve or not, will only continue to portray our condition as a rather quirky, but harmless one.

    I wrote to Stephen Fry, after watching his documentary on manic depression. I think it would be wonderful if he would make a similar documentary on OCD. The programme reached so many people who had little understanding of bipolar. It is always wrong to compare conditions, and I am sure statistics would show that bipolar causes more loss of life than OCD. However, what shocked me was that virtually all those interviewed (with manic depression) would choose to keep their condition, if they had the opportunity to rid themselves of it. I wonder how many people would keep their OCD?!

    P.S. Helz, you also mentioned books. I would say that Agatha Christie’s Poirot is obsessional, whether it could be classed as OCD, I’m unsure. I suppose Sherlock Holmes was also obsessional (the writers of Monk often refer to Holmes). The obsessional mind is ideal for detective work, we are usually incredibly observant.

    P.P.S. Andrea, I am not for one moment excusing my behaviour, but I will just say this, so that anyone who is experiencing similar might feel a little less concerned. A friend forced her rituals onto her young daughter from a very young age. At three, her child would begin the day my asking ‘Mom, what are the rules we have to follow today?’. My rituals remained fairly constant, but they were strict and my two children also grew up living a very unnatural existence. However, mercifully my friend’s girl and my children have not inherited our OCD genes and all are very well-balanced, happy young adults (heading towards their thirties now). Environment is important, but maybe not as vital as some would imagine. Love is certainly necessary, however. My friend and I made sure our children knew they were loved and that our behaviour was not how other mothers were. They were told from a young age that mom/mum had a problem. In my case, I seriously considered leaving my children with their father, but I was persuaded not to.

    Wed Mar 3 2010 15:09:16 #
  24. Tricia,
    I went through a period like what you describe...my babies still ask me 'why do i need to wash up?? Is that thing dirty or something?' But one of my kids shows some tendencies, and I want her to know its not normal...but i must maintain respect and have them listen when I say to do something. It not easy because they cant see whats OCD and whats mom being crazy. So I must school myself not to have them effected when its OCD. It is hard to tell sometimes because the danger feels so real, but I'm getting better at telling OCD to leave me and my kids alone. Tricia you have no idea how much we are alike.
    Andrea

    Wed Mar 3 2010 18:48:34 #
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    Wow, thanks for your comment, Tricia, you've given us a lot to think about. I hope you don't get in trouble for posting all this, though I must say that I think it would be wrong if you did. I'm not trying to interfere in your family, but I don't see what's so wrong with you posting here, especially when you have so much to offer in the way of insight.

    Anyway, about the laughing thing, I admit that I laugh at myself sometimes, but I can never laugh at others, unless they themselves invite me too, as in they are laughing at something they've done and relate it in a deliberately humorous way to make others laugh too. Mostly though when I think about the things that I and other sufferers go through, I want to cry.

    Thu Mar 4 2010 17:19:55 #
  26. I came up with another book/movie about ocd it was I gues 'Kissing the Doorknobs' by Terry Spencer. This is how I got to know about OCD, and that such thing may exist i read it when I was about 12 and I remember that it made a huuge impression on me. It is told to be teenege litarature, but It was very gripping to me then. however I felt very sad about the main character! It was sometimes painful to read how she struggles to cope with everyday life.

    Have a nice day everyone;)!

    Fri Mar 5 2010 14:34:11 #
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    Thanks for that, boowooo, I'll have to have a look for it.

    Fri Mar 5 2010 21:54:14 #
  28. Has anyone seen the new sit-com on BBC3 called The Gemma Factor? There's a character in there who's portrayed as having OCD. I find it really difficult to watch but think that's just because I'm going through a bad patch at the minute. Just wondered what others thought.

    Fri Mar 26 2010 17:47:14 #
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    I've not seen that. How is the character portrayed? Is their OCD played for laughs or as a serious condition?

    Fri Mar 26 2010 18:43:00 #
  30. I suppose you could say that the programme tries to show OCD from 2 perspectives. On the one hand, it is played for laughs. On the other, one of the characters approaches OCD as an illness and argues that the behaviour that it causes can't be helped.

    Fri Mar 26 2010 22:10:20 #

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