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OCD Fear of Paranormal and Coincidences!!!!! Help please!

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  • Started 4 months ago by beth1982
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  1. Hi, this is my first post and I don't really know where to begin

    I've suffered on and off with obsessive worries since being a child, and am only now at almost 30 seeing a CBT therapist. For years, my fears centred around dying, and they got considerably worse after pregnancy etc. I've had fears that I'd die before certain ages (previously 16 and 26) and would look for "signs" to reassure me........but this backfired and I ended up obsessing over numbers and "omens", which have resulted in a very strong fear that "unseen forces" are showing me signs or encouraging fears about dying before the age of 36 now (plus some relating to my son and ex-husband) being somewhat religious throughout life, I naturally turned to my religion (Christianity) for comfort, but this has had the devastating effect of terrifying me into thinking anything remotely paranormal seeming is due to demons, plus the huge amount of apocalyptic literature thrown in and stories of the anti-Christ has produced massive anxiety!

    Now, at present, I am struggling against all these fears which are backed up, in my mind, by a large number of uncanny coincidences which have seemed like "omens" or "messages" and countless tales by family and media of supernatural experiences, uncanny psychics, dreams, etc. What started as a fear of whether the future can be foretold (to reassure myself that ghosts/demons couldn't know that I'd die before a set age) has become an overwhelming dread of anything paranormal being real or proven! Yet I don't want to lose my religion by entirely convincing myself that the paranormal is all rubbish and the product of our clever brains and coincidence! I feel like I can't win!

    Also, the last few months have been particularly turbulent.......I ended a marriage I was unhappy in and have moved in with a man I'm very much in love with and who I know feels the same way it's the kind of love I'd always wanted, but as with OCD there's always something to spoil your happiness While my boyfriend is very understanding of my fears as he's experienced something very similar, this also means that he also has a sensitive mind when it comes to being freaked out haha........he comes from a family who are into the spiritual side of things, especially his Mum, who are all lovely but very much of at way of thinking! Plus, what really upset me was him saying early on when we were together, was that he'd had experiences when family members (grandparents) had died.......he said his ex-wife saw a shadowy figure in their room, close to a time when he smelled a tobacco smell reminding him of his grandfather, then shortly after found he'd died.........and when his nanna died, he'd felt a twinge in his arm and shoulder in the night and worried about her as she'd suffer a heart attack a few months before, then returned home in the morning from work and heard a door close in the house and said he could smell Tiger Bread in the kitchen which reminded him of her......then later found she'd died in the night.

    I managed to not obsess over these things too much as I'm well aware that people who are prone to this way of thinking can tie in anything and see "signs" everywhere, I should know because I've been obsessing over them for years myself! It's just really hard when other people mention similar things and seems to "validate" my deepest fears.......since being together, my boyfriend's also had the hardest time of his life, as his baby sister (16) died in august! It was very sudden, and we'd only been together a few months, but were living together by then........at the time he said he'd seen a shadowy figure that looked like her shape (though in the flat we live in there's a lot of shadowy spots and areas that catch the light in strange ways), and his sister said she'd felt breaths on her face that night like she had after their nanna died, and his mum went through a period of constantly saying how she'd dreamed of an owl (omen of death and also a favourite of his sister which is even on the headstone), had had visions when performing reiki, had been told by a psychic that his sister would be n hospital that year (she had a difficult chronic illness) and had seen black butterflies trying to enter the house on significant days afterwards along with other family members! Plus more besides........at the time, being ready to fight my OCD and sick of always being scared, I knew that being there to support the man I love was more important than running away and letting my fears ruin my life! I got through weeks of being in that environment constantly, viewing his sister's body, and being taken on a tour of her final steps to where she died by police, by reminding myself that grieving people will look for "signs" and significance everywhere! Plus, I knew that I couldn't let OCD win! How could I ever have a normal relationship if I have to vet whether someone may trigger fears that I hate having anyway!

    Now, I'm about halfway through treatment and finding it hard I don't want to stop believing in God, or that life may go on, but I also don't want live in fear that seeing "signs" or warnings from beyond is commonplace!!! I'm trying to find a balance where i don't have to become an atheist to be rational and not see the paranormal everywhere! I've been through a lot with my OCD and it's never made me happy - it damaged the first year of bonding with my son due to crippling doubts over whether I could sexually or physically harm him or his sister, which was devastating, and it's had a gloomy grip over any happy future I want or desire. I'm so sick of it! I'm starting to panic whether I'll be lime this forever, and will end up having to end a relationship I'm so happy in because he might accidentally see the paranormal in things (he's well aware of my fears and really tries to help me, bless him), he says he thinks it's all rubbish but is a little freaked out by things he's noticed, but that's the way most people are wired in their brains, especially when their family constantly refers to it! He certainly doesn't seek it out in anyway!

    I feel really happy and lucky, then the doubt creeps in (" He's thought he's witnessed paranormal things before! What if he really believes it? What if it's true? How can I be close to a man who believes in what I hugely fear?")..........then I give myself a shake and remind myself that it's his experiences that have helped him to understand me, and that if I avoid everyone who's ever wondered about the paranormal i'd have to live as a hermit! My own Mum's told some freaky stories ( she's prone to exaggeration, mind!) yet I can't live my life not being close to her! If my OCD had it's way I'd likely live in a box and have no life.....yet what would be the point of not living in order to avoid death???!!!!!!????

    Sorry for rambling, i'd really appreciate your views and support.......this is such an isolating illness xxxxxxxx thanks xxxxxxxx

    Thu Jan 12 2012 14:34:05 #
  2. Welcome Beth, I have lots to say but little time. I believe we have quite a bit in common, including our names! I'll write more when I have a chance!

    Beth x

    Thu Jan 12 2012 14:48:53 #
  3. Haha, thank you.....look forward to hearing from you :) xxxxx

    Also Beth xxxxxx

    Thu Jan 12 2012 14:51:02 #
  4. Hi Beth, welcome to the forums. I too have similar ideas, and I don't know what to do myself... I think it is good to have an open mind to what is going on around us, it is all pretty fantastic this universe thing... It is like what came first, the chicken or the egg? One did, but how? It is all pretty amazing about the universe and how the world works... But an open mind can bring reassurance that there is something beyond this life. To be honest, if there is nothing beyond, then all this struggling wouldn't be worth it, but it is, cos we are on a journey... That's my way of trying to look at it... I was once told that religion is for those who don't want to go to hell, while spirituality is for those who've been there already. OCD is a doubting disorder that can have us worrying about everything... It can be an earthly Hell.
    Wannabe

    Thu Jan 12 2012 17:30:20 #
  5. Thanks for your reply personally, I'm trying not to get too caught up in things either way lol.......I want to enjoy the present, enjoy my life......my belief in God hasn't changed, but I'm trying to undo the damage done by over-zealous religious websites, along with the tendency people everywhere have to be superstitious and rely on things like astrology and psychics etc, which I feel are catastrophic to an obsessive mind! I can't change the past and I really don't believe we can know the future (no matter how much my fears tell me otherwise) so the present is what I have, and I'm absolutely sick of wasting it worrying "What if?".........and I don't want to ruin a relationship with a man I completely love and trust because of it.......and most importantly I don't want to teach my wonderful, clever children to be afraid of living. I owe I to all the people I love most to do the very best I can to get better and make the best of NOW

    I'd much rather tolerate the "What if's" than the regrets later on xxxxxxx

    Thu Jan 12 2012 17:39:38 #
  6. And I am having a particularly doubtful few days at the moment........I voiced this worry to my Cognitive Behavioural Therapist for the first time yesterday and it's aggravated the issue a bit :/ most of the time, when I'm feeling positive I view my lovely boyfriend and his family as having potential as excellent exposure haha they're lovely, and read into things in a way differently to me, that's all.......they're aware that I'm having treatment for worries like this and try really hard to not talk about it too much.......I know I can't avoid it, or I won't get better, I just want to take it gradually while having treatment, then in the future hopefully my perspective will be sufficiently diffent so that I can just appreciate it as another person's viewpoint! xxxxxxx

    Thu Jan 12 2012 17:49:49 #
  7. Hi again, yes, I think that that is what they call mindfulness, living in the now, and there is room for lot's of different viewpoints, which if looked at far enough distantly, actually support each other rather than contradict, but that is another subject entirely!
    Wannabe

    Thu Jan 12 2012 18:04:44 #
  8. Ah yes, how often I'm hearing the word "mindfulness" at the moment it seems to help me by keeping me in touch with reality! The worst thing I can do is try to believe something's definitely nit real......then I get stuck in endless ruminations of all the things I've read/heard/dreamed/imagined that suggest otherwise!

    I've been ruminating for years and it's done a lot of harm! Am on a rumination detox from now on nice calm mind here I come!

    Beth x

    Thu Jan 12 2012 18:15:28 #
  9. Go for it Beth!
    I'll try and do the same.
    Wannabe

    Thu Jan 12 2012 18:26:12 #
  10. Haha......I'm trying (very trying, so I'm told ) it certainly helps to have others with such a great attitude

    Thanks, Wannabe!

    Beth xxxxxx

    Thu Jan 12 2012 18:56:59 #
  11. You're welcome Beth! Thank you to you too! It helps me too.
    Wannabe

    Thu Jan 12 2012 21:10:02 #
  12. Beth, I have some remarkably similar obsessions to your own. I was convinced I would die just before or at the age of 16 and then 26. However, by the time I approached 36 (another age I had feared) I was so sick of being afraid I welcomed death. My own death still doesn’t bother me, but I have really started to obsess over the deaths of loved ones. Part of me wishes I could become an atheist and not feel there is anything ‘out there’ at all.

    The positive side to my faith is a deep conviction that our loved ones who have died are still around and that life is eternal. The negative side is that I panic about ‘signs’. Most of them are not signs at all, of course, but my OCD really appears to be incompatible with any kind of faith.

    My mother and I, and also a cousin and close friend, have all witnessed things which we know to be genuine signs and I have reached the point where it is impossible for me to dismiss such things as fanciful, tricks of the mind, coincidence etc. This means that every bad dream or event triggers my fears and I have no idea how to deal with this.

    Fri Jan 13 2012 12:58:59 #
  13. Hi BT, I struggle with this too... There are people in my own family who appear to find it all easy, but it could just be a 'front'. I try to keep an open mind... I have to retain hope that there is something beyond this life. A song that I like was done by Cliff richard, the song 'Two worlds', sort of sums it up for me...
    Wannabe

    Fri Jan 13 2012 20:55:34 #
  14. Hello all.Can I say I've been really impressed with the posts on this issue,especially Beth 1982 with your first one.Really brave,well done.I have had these issues myself.I'm a Catholic who believes in God but who can't differentiate between my bad thoughts and prayer.I ask myself,"well if I pray for good things to happen,what difference is there when I think of the bad thoughts?"So I come to see both as equals & attach equal,maybe more,importance to the bad thoughts,which often seem as real as the nose on my face.I have wanted to mention this to my Parish Priest but I don't know how to make the first step.It's areally complicated issue.Beth1982,I get omens & coincidences & it really scares me when I have them when I'm thinking bad thoughts,it makes me think the bad thoughts will come true as everything is fated or connected in some way.I had CBT last year & my therapist said thatcif this "magic thinking" was true,then we'd all win the lottery. But I thought,"well what is prayer & good thoughts but magic thinking too?"So I too have this dilemma between the practical,logical and scientific approach,against the superstitious religious one.Can I have both and if so how will that work?Sorry if I've rambled on a bit but it's hard to think straight with this OCD sometimes.

    Tue Jan 17 2012 1:01:23 #
  15. Message for beth1982-I read your post the other day and was wondeRing how you are.Some of the issues you raised occur to me now and can understand how it affects you.Are you ok?

    Tue Jan 17 2012 22:55:26 #

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