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    TL, That's it exactly. What kind of backlash might we receive from an ignorant public?

    A friend of mine has just been to see her GP and has not told the whole truth. She has said she fears she will harm her children. I understand her reluctance to be completely open. I think in her shoes I'd do the same.

    It's not that we should feel any shame for suffering this symptom. It's just there is so much ignorance and understandably so much hatred for actual paedophiles. However, the ignorance will remain while so many keep it secret.

    Sat May 15 2010 11:47:00 #
  2. I CAN SEE WERE UR FRIEND IS COMING FROM TOO TRICIA, I WOULDNT DARE SPEAK 2 MY GP, SAD I KNOW. BUT THE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM HAVE BEEN GR8T AT HELPING ME FEEL BETTER ESPECIALLY THIS WEEK ITS BEEN A TOUGH ONE.

    Sat May 15 2010 12:20:05 #
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    Trish, would you be happy for the public to be made aware that this obsession is as common as checking and hand-washing? Do you worry the public could turn against all OCD sufferers because they don't understand? Negative things have been said by people (professionals) who should have known better and I still feel strongly that it's time to try to make the public more aware of this symptom. But, what if it actually had the opposite effect to the one intended?

    It’s obvious that people are suffering in silence and even dying because of their guilt and shame, simply because they either have no idea they have OCD, or have not dared to ask for help.

    Sat May 15 2010 12:29:16 #
  4. hi tricia i think i would worry that the public would turn against ocd sufferers i cant even confide in my family or my fiance about alot of my issues sometimes im even paranoid posting here nothing 2 do with the people on the forum my fiance knows about my ocd but not in any gr8t detail i just tell him i jst opsess alot which stresses me if he were 2 look at my posts on here id be pretty anxious about that its terrible 2 feel such shame and guilt iv tried taking my own life twice in my life from severe depression that i now know was down 2 ocd luckily i didnt succeed since finding this forum though i feel less alone and im grateful 2 all 4 making me feel so welcome and thx tricia 4 all the information that has helped me alot 2 with coming 2 terms with this debilitating ilness

    Sun May 16 2010 7:37:32 #
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    Trish, it really is an awful dilemma. My friends who have this symptom are also keeping it from their loved-ones. By bringing it to the public’s attention more people will understand and those with this kind of OCD are more likely to seek help. But, I am still receiving just as many messages opposed to raising awareness of this symptom (and not just in the form of a dramatization) as I am hearing from people who are very keen for it to be done.

    I have just been reading the e-mail from a psychologist (I said psychiatrist in a previous message). Perhaps if I explain his message, you and others can say whether you would agree with his view.

    Firstly, he agrees that it is vitally important to get the message about this symptom out there. But, he understands my concerns that such awareness could lead to the public mistakenly linking OCD to paedophilia. He doesn’t feel this is an inevitability, but he understands it could happen. He goes on to say that it is unfortunate that the word ‘obsession’ is used in a different form. The popular use of the word implies an attraction to something, albeit an excessive one.

    By the way, I agree that this is one of our greatest problems, not just with the symptom we are discussing. The term ‘obsession’ is used to mean something entirely different by most of the public. No OCD obsession EVER gives pleasure. The public is not going to change its view of the word ‘obsession’ so maybe we need to change the name of our condition?! Perhaps we could return to the old term ‘anankastic’?

    The psychologist went on to say that if a character in a play had the kind of OCD where the obsession is one of harming a child, there might be a more sympathetic response from the audience and those with paedophilia (OCD) fears could view the character’s problem as similar to his or her own.

    My daughter and a friend with OCD cannot see why an audience would be more sympathetic towards someone who fears he or she will harm a child as opposed to sexually abuse one. I feel the same, and yet people with OCD have appeared on television to discuss a fear of harming their children. I have never seen anyone on the TV speaking about an obsession of sexually abusing a child. So, I think many people must feel the obsession of harm is somehow easier to speak about. They must believe the public would have more empathy. I’m not sure why. I recall a man speaking (on television) about how he feared he would attack elderly women. The audience certainly appeared to be sympathetic. I wonder if they would have been if he had said he feared he would sexually abuse women. The audience was made aware that it was the last thing he would do, but I have a feeling he might have received a different response.

    Trish, It is terrible that you should feel such shame and guilt. Thank goodness your suicide attempts were unsuccessful.

    Tricia x

    Mon May 17 2010 13:23:06 #
  6. hi tricia its very sad 2 say the least that we feel the need 2 keep these feelings secret i can tell my sister anything but not this i almost did last week but 2 be honest im relieved i didnt shes a wonderful person but i jst cant tell her this even when she was very worried about me as i got so depressed i couldnt confide in her i really doubt i ever will im jst glad i know what it is now everytime i think of growing up and thinking i was evil if id known then id of been saved so much distress all the best and thx 4 listening

    Tue May 18 2010 18:50:20 #
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    Any time, Trish, and send me a PM if you would like. I understand why you didn't tell your sister, but please don't suffer in total silence, share it with us if you need to.
    Tricia x

    Wed May 19 2010 12:56:50 #
  8. thx tricia all the best

    Wed May 19 2010 13:07:48 #
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    I’ve been reading more of Lee Baer’s book. I’m desperately trying to a help a friend who is new to this obsession and is struggling to cope. Lee Baer talks about writing down a worst case scenario, detailing all the awful thoughts and then going on to describe what could then happen. He refers to a lady who fears she will throw her young son off a cliff. She describes her ‘actions’ then speaks about being shunned by her family, the court case, prison etc. She was then encouraged to put this onto an audio tape and listen repeatedly to her description of the terrible 'events'. Apparently, she was extremely distressed to begin with, but by the end of a week became bored with it.

    I’m just wondering if anyone here has tried this approach and, if so, can you tell us whether it helped, please?

    Trish, I’ve just read your new thread. I agree with the replies you received. How are you doing now?

    Tricia x

    Thu May 20 2010 13:26:56 #
  10. hi tricia feeling better than i did but still have as u described thoughts of worse case senario running through my head can jst see myself being arrested and taken away from my daughter and fiance and having 2 explain 2 my family why iv been arrested whish id jst stuck with this site now atleast everyone on here comforts u not make u feel even worse thx again tricia

    Thu May 20 2010 14:10:48 #
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    Trish, When you mentioned your worst case scenario, do you just mean in the form of your OCD intrusive thoughts taking over? Have you ever received therapy where you’ve been encouraged to focus on them even more and write the disastrous ‘events’ down?

    We are told that by doing so, most of us improve. As I said with the lady Lee Baer mentioned, she actually became bored with what had initially reduced her to near hysteria. I was hoping someone might be able to describe how this worked for them and how long it took. So far I haven’t met anyone who has found it helpful, but then most people I know with intrusive thoughts haven’t tried this form of therapy.

    When I suffered intrusive thoughts, no mention was made about this kind of therapy. I was just prescribed clomipramine, which is apparently effective for two thirds of us. I am trying to visualize writing down my most outrageous and disgusting thoughts and it’s difficult to imagine reaching a point where they no longer cause distress, let alone bore me. The only reason they don’t distress me now is because they have gone away. That obsession burnt itself out years ago. No-one knows why this occurs.

    Tricia x

    P.S. A friend of mine wrote to me today asking if I am writing here to myself (Trish and Tricia)!

    Fri May 21 2010 13:01:11 #
  12. Well are you?

    But seriously I'll admit it initially confused my poor little OCD brain

    Fri May 21 2010 14:01:56 #
  13. i suppose u could say the thoughts taking over i mean yesterday i really believed i had done something illegal and was waiting 4 the day they come 2 take me away, 2day the thought is there but feel im able 2 cope slightly better, am hoping each day it will seem less likely, i feel if i stop thinking about it that somehow it will be true that ill be taken away, if that makes any sense at all? god sometimes i confuse myself, never received that type of therapy before,funny that ur friend thought u were posting 2 yourself

    Fri May 21 2010 14:08:02 #
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    Trish, How are you today?

    Yes, I understand what you mean, I’ve heard many other people say they worry something might be true if they stop thinking about it. Maybe it's similar to my observation, that what I worry about doesn't usually happen. So, if I worry about everything, I'll be OK!

    You said you haven’t tried the kind of therapy I mentioned, but have you seen a therapist?

    Tricia x

    Mon May 24 2010 13:08:36 #
  15. no not seen a therapist neither feeling pretty positive this week am hoping it lasts has helped so much talking on here thx 2 everyone thoughts still creeping in but not making me as depressed am really trying 2 help myself get well i really dnt want 2 see anyone 4 it maybe im being cowardly am hoping between books and self help cd and ocd sites i can get a grip of whats going on in my head

    Thu May 27 2010 12:17:12 #
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    Trish, I am really pleased that you are doing better. You are not being cowardly at all. If self-help books, the CD and the forum are helping you then that’s fine. Even many experts believe using such methods can be enough. I have actually got more help from fellow sufferers and good books than from any professional I have met in fifty years. In fact, some professionals are useless!

    Tricia x

    Thu May 27 2010 12:32:46 #
  17. thx tricia have been so much better doing what im doing the episodes i have dnt last as long talking on here being the most beneficial dnt think id be as open talking with anyone face 2 face thx again

    Thu May 27 2010 15:33:54 #
  18. With this OCD there are so many levels to conquer . What I mean is it depends how long you have had it for, how deep and esteem destroying it has got. I mean you might just begin with disturbing thoughts and if you were to expose yourself to those thoughts then maybe it could take the anxiety down and the power and anxiety from it. But if it has reached other levels, where you are frightened to be around children, you actually think youre a pedo and you feel so low about it that it has affected you to the point you feel a total freak, it might take more than just the word exposure , this is one of the OCDs that can take the longest to conquer due to its content.
    But I have to say and recommend everyone to try the word and thought exposure techniques as hard as it may seem, because for me it has actually helped , you go through the worst intrusive thoughts,images etc its so painful but then within the process your mind is actually working its way to eventually calm you down and let you know that its just bad thoughts, loads of little conclusions come up.Its really hard to explain but what I am trying to say is after you have did the exposure the mind comes to new psoitive conclusions, it seems to work on many levels, but you have to stick with it. I still have a long way to go, I was really scared to do this type of xposure before and now I actually know it helps eventually, it helps a thought just to be a thought and nothing else ,its about living around it not letting it live around you and imprison you..yep easier said than done....but very possible if you work at it.

    Oh and Tricia maybe exposing this type of OCD to the public will actually be a kind of exposure in itself and help for sufferers thinking of it in a positive light it might get people to be more open about it and actually diminish some cases of it completetly. I just hope that if you do it that there isnt giant backlash from ignorant people that do not even want to understand it.

    Mon May 31 2010 10:01:10 #
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    Trish and Facing The Fear, I just wanted you to know I am not ignoring you. I'll reply when I have more time. FTF, just realized I have virtually copied your avatar, sorry about that. Is yours rising or setting?!
    Tricia x

    Mon May 31 2010 13:28:09 #
  20. I too have/had this, 4 months after the birth of my beautiful daughter. In my lowest point I considered killing myself, but could not do it to my daughter. Also in my lowest point I knew I had to speak to someone, so I spoke to my husband and mother who persuaded me to go to the GP. I thought I had nothing to loose as if they thought I was at risk of harming my daughter it was for the best if that's what they thought, and prison would be better for her. Fourtunately my Female GP and all the other people have helped me get through this have been amazingly understanding. Otherwise who knows what would have happened.
    After this fear subsided, it morphed into other things, one of them worrying about the fact I could never come out into the open with this even if I wanted to, for fear of being accused if being a P. This I have also come to terms with.

    for months I searched the net for women with the same problem as me & I couldn't find it, but now I have this too had helped me to believe I am not the only woman with this particular problem.

    I still have my moments, but CBT, understanding the illness & support from GP's and close family has really helped.

    If it were not for that I am not sure where I would be.

    Wed Jun 2 2010 12:12:09 #
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    Dear Lucy, I expect you have already read how common I think this particular (and terribly distressing) symptom is. I have mentioned the amount of friends who have confided in me, and women seem to be equally affected.

    Thank goodness you received the support and help you did.

    Lucy, given your position, would you want everyone to know that this is a common symptom of OCD or are you afraid the general public will misunderstand? How much difference do you think it would have made to your suffering, if you had realized from the beginning that it’s such a common obsession?

    Good luck and do keep in touch with us here. Knowing you are not alone is a big part of dealing with this.

    Tricia x

    P.S. Several women from the forum have contacted me about this obsession, but they won't even write anonymously on the forum, such is their fear of being ostracized.

    Wed Jun 2 2010 12:44:00 #
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    Trish, If you are improving by doing what you are there’s no need to speak to someone face to face. Many people recover without doing that. I am so pleased that the obsession is bothering you less.

    Facing the Fear, what advice would you give to those who have faced exposure and noticed a reduction in anxiety, but then they start to worry because they no longer react as badly to the thoughts. While they are totally disgusted and panicking, they seem more able to convince themselves they are not paedophiles.

    I listen so carefully to everyone’s opinion about raising awareness of this symptom (in any form, be it by professionals or within a drama) and I really am no further forward. I suppose the problem is no-one can judge exactly how the public might react. As I have said all along, my initial concerns and reasons for writing about a character with paedophilia fears, were the thousands of people suffering (possibly suicidal) not realizing they even have OCD. That obviously hasn’t changed, but as you said, it’s the backlash from ignorant people that is the worry. That is something I can’t predict, and, as you know from the messages I’ve sent you, the experts can’t either.

    My closest friends (with OCD) remain as divided and passionate as ever. I listen to one and believe I should go ahead, I listen to another and feel I can’t risk it. If it were just me who would experience the repercussions I would not hesitate, but it could affect us all.

    Tricia x

    Wed Jun 2 2010 13:00:42 #
  23. Hi Tricia,

    I am only now able to open up in forums since other brave people have.

    On the one hand I would like it to be made more public to help other people, but it is such a taboo subject and I really feel that people who have not gone though this would understand and this is where it could make us worse. Even my husband who has been supportive thinks I should not discuss this with just anyone.

    But yes I feel that It would have made a lot of difference if I had known it was common. For months all I read about was women who's thoughts were to suffocate, strangle etc, all very common and also linked to postnatal depression, and this I feel is generally accepted as a condition. All this did was make me feel more isolated and alone after not searching for someone with the same thoughts.

    It's a difficult one.

    It's such a dark, dark, dirty awful world you go into when your at your lowest. You really feel like a social outcast and your so disgusted with yourself. It really is hell on earth.

    Please know that it is possible to come out the other side eventually. I have done it. Just seek help and try to open up as much as you can. I did and it was all worth it.

    Wed Jun 2 2010 14:45:57 #
  24. Another thing that I like to remember and this helps me, is that people with OCD and these types of obsessions is that we are less likely (almost impossible) to carry out these awful things than a "normal" person with out OCD so we are totally on the other end of the spectrum to people that do.

    Wed Jun 2 2010 14:52:55 #
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    I believe I have quoted experts who have said the very same. Professor Toates said it’s unheard of for someone with violent or sexual OCD symptoms to ever act on their thoughts.

    Of course OCD is not laid to rest that easily. I have a young friend (and I’ve heard this many times from others) who then asks ‘how can I be sure it is OCD, maybe I am one of them’. The fact that my friend was sobbing and talking of suicide did not make her aware that a paedophile is the very last thing she is. To add weight to her theory, she was sexually abused as a child, and she has read that people who are sexually abused as children often become abusers of children themselves. It would be obvious to any professional, and to many who have never even heard of OCD, that my friend is not what she fears, but it seems impossible to convince her otherwise.

    She has been on the board, and reading of other people’s fears has helped, especially those of young women. Like you, she previously read in books about young mothers who fear harming a child, but it left her feeling she was very different with the sexual obsession.

    Mentioning that has made me think of the advice I received from a psychologist. He understood my concerns about a dramatization, but he agreed there needs to be more awareness. He suggested changing the obsession from one of paedophilia to physically harming a child. He believes those with paedophilia fears would link this to their obsession and realize that they, too, have OCD. Given what you have said, and what I have just written about my friend, I am not so sure!

    Tricia x

    Thu Jun 3 2010 12:34:00 #
  26. I too think the same, that unless you actually know of other people who have had the same thoughts then the OCD will not link Harming and sexual abuse together.

    I hope your friend will get better, it's good that she feels she can open up to you.

    x

    Thu Jun 3 2010 21:17:09 #
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    Thank you, she already seems to be improving which is such a relief. This symptom is one of the worst forms of mental torment.

    Mon Jun 7 2010 12:58:44 #
  28. Hi

    I have just joined this forum, and as strange as it sounds am thrilled....to find the help and support takes a huge weight of my shoulders.

    My son who is nearly 12 has just been diagnosed as having an OCD - he feels/believes he is a paedophile. It started a couple of months ago and didnt confide in me until last month, he didnt want me to tell a soul as he was ashamed. I am an single independant parent, and although he has a father he can't and wont tell his dad anything, as he belittles and teases him. My son sees no positives only negatives in his life. My son feels suicidal at times and completely ashamed of himself.

    I supported him as best I could until we say the pychologist last Tuesday (he is under a Dr with regards being assessed for aspergers/autism etc. I have fought for years to get help for him - and finally now at High school its recognise)

    He allowed me to tell the doctor - which was a major step and after an hour the doctor prescribed anti - depressants and counselling. My son kept asking, why me? The doctor described it as a virus attacking his brain/The enemy shooting arrows at my sons castle.

    The doctor told me i had to stop trying to promote my sons positives as he is in such a vicious circle right now, I am only adding to his problems.

    Its a week tomorrow and he is constantly asking me why me, when will the medication start working....i am trying to answer his questions via internet research and am awaiting a book on ocds from Amazon.

    Thanks for listening

    Misty

    xx

    Mon Jun 7 2010 18:00:09 #
  29. Hi misty,

    Welcome to the forum.

    I hope that you'll find the forum of help. There are quite a few parents with children on the forum.

    Is it Cognitive Behavioural therapy that the psychologist is prescribing? As this is the preferred treatment for OCD.

    As the doctor doesn't want you promoting your son's positives, has he explained why and what has he suggested you do to help?

    The medication will take a while to show any effect.

    If you click on Help and Support at the top of the page and then on the drop down click on Resource Centre you can find more information on OCD including the NICE guidelines.

    Best wishes
    Trudy

    Mon Jun 7 2010 18:28:56 #
  30. Thanks, no the doctor just advised counselling, either at school with Head to Head, or via CAMS via himself. We opted fro the CAMS option, we are now awaiting an appointment, he has to go back to see the dR IN 3 WEEKS

    Mon Jun 7 2010 18:46:50 #

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