http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/tags/ocd It's Time to Act. OCD Action provides support and information for people affected by Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Mon, 21 May 2012 15:26:44 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/search.php http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/is-this-ocd-6#post-67218 Wed, 09 May 2012 20:42:10 +0000 wannabefree 67218@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi Cuthbert, Hi Jeff, welcome to the forums... I agree with Cuthbert... Also if you get to GP as soon as possible, that cognitive behavioural therapy can be arranged for you, and you may well find a course of medication will help too... The web isn't a very reliable place to look, but if you go through the resources section of this website there maybe some stuff that will help...<br /> Wannabe </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/is-this-ocd-6#post-67208 Wed, 09 May 2012 13:53:05 +0000 Cuthbert ffoliott 67208@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>With some accuracy, I would say it is OCD indeed, although in a heterogeneous form, Jeff. I mean this:</p> <p>1. you have (not always) an irresistible urge to repeat a seemingly (and often factually) senseless act. The repetition you impose on yourself is a compulsion. You go on, in spite of the object even getting broken. </p> <p>2. you obviously suffer from what is officially called: NJREs, which stands for: 'not just right experiences'. So you must reach a state of 'things being right', by repeating an act. The 'being right' is entirely a subjective feeling in your mind; people who don't have it would wonder why someone needs to press, or slam, say 25 or 50 times before that state of feeling somewhat well is attained.</p> <p>It is OCD, albeit a bit 'faceless', and that is why you had trouble to find information on the web. The familiar forms of OCD can be defined easily: washing, checking, hoarding, counting (mentally), ordering (extreme need for symmetry), and sexually/religiously oriented dimensions.</p> <p>Yours is entirely focused on the elimination of those troubling NJREs.</p> <p>I wonder: did you see an expert about this? I think, at first sight, that you could benefit from cognitive/behavioural therapy as well as medication. The former could work via staging a situation that troubles you, and then making you refrain from acting upon your urge; the latter could help a great deal in decreasing the fear of feeling 'out of sorts', as you phrase it.</p> <p>Hope this helps a bit, and please let me know what you think of my reply - I like to learn every day here.</p> <p>Best, Cuthbert in Holland. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/is-this-ocd-6#post-67207 Wed, 09 May 2012 12:56:01 +0000 jeffdahmer89 67207@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Sometimes I have an Urge(nothing Sexual) to press on things, or do things over, not all the time but some times. for example. I broke a computer mouse at my home because I had to keep pressing on it. I also snapped my cell phone in half on accident because I had to keep flipping it open and slamming it down. When I open a book or have a piece of paper I also feel an urge to wave it in front of me to feel just the right brush of air on my eyes. the feeling has to be done right otherwise I feel out of sorts. Keep in mind some of this stuff isn't all the time. Is this a OCD tendency? I cant find anything on the web about it. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66608 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:39:40 +0000 badcompany 66608@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Oh I see, ever since I've started thinking these things, i've been speaking to people and feeling the need to point out things about them, and straight away i hate myself for it. I understand what you're saying, i think then thats just because of me that I think those things. Thank you for helping me understand. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66602 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:59:32 +0000 Mike 66602@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>The thoughts are not caused by the OCD. People with OCD have similar thoughts as people without OCD. OCD causes abnormal reactions to the thoughts, which cause anxiety and compulsive urges to perform behaviors or rituals to alleviate the anxiety (like telling her the thoughts). </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66597 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:59:51 +0000 badcompany 66597@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi Mike,</p> <p>I haven't been speaking to her for a while, but i have said good bye in a proper way, and i will tell her about all this later on when i understand it more. Can the horrible thoughts be caused by ocd? Or is it just the ocd that makes me feel the need to tell her? I won't tell her anymore things i think, i know she doesn't deserve it nor understand. Its hard sometimes to not say, makes me lose sleep and concentration for everything, but thats also why i couldn't speak to her anymore, because i couldn't keep thinking bad things about her, feeling the need to say and then upset us both. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66595 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:21:41 +0000 Mike 66595@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Elliot,</p> <p>You should absolutely not tell her any of the hurtful thoughts you have. They will only upset her for no reason, and since she'll have absolutely no idea where they're coming from, it's not fair to her to tell her. If it makes you anxious to not tell her, you'll just have to live with that anxiety for now. In the long run, refusing to give in to compulsive urges will help you with the OCD. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66567 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:25:01 +0000 badcompany 66567@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Thank you, I will book an appointment soon. Thank you so much for helping me out guys, I don't know what I'd be thinking if i didn't even know I had OCD. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66566 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:22:24 +0000 Wombat140 66566@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Local doctor, yep, or whatever doctor you usually see. And yes you can get CBT free through the NHS if you've been diagnosed with OCD, though if you go through the NHS it may mean you have to wait a bit. That's improved a lot recently though.<br /> Good luck. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66564 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:18:41 +0000 wannabefree 66564@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi Elliott... It is difficult sometimes... I'm struggling too with this illness we share... GP is your local doctor, and yes the NHS, if I've read you correctly does provide the therapy, assuming your local health authority is funding it... In England most health authorities are funding it I believe, but it does depend on your locality. When you see your GP, you can be prescribed the meds to help too...<br /> Wannabe </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66560 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:47:20 +0000 badcompany 66560@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>At the moment I feel lost, i used to channel it through physical actions like making things symmetrical, even with my art work i tried to perfect things and would spend ages on a tiny bit, get annoyed when it wasn't just right. But lately since everything has gone bad its all in my head :/ Thank you so much &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; Is the gp my local doctor? Does the nhc subsidise any therapy or will i have to pay for it (if thats what the gp recommends)? </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66558 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:38:54 +0000 chaschas 66558@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>OCD makes you doubt yourself so much Elliot &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; <br /> But the first step is the GP - they've heard it all before....then when you and the GP decide what steps to take at least you know you're heading towards victory &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:-)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66555 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:27:49 +0000 badcompany 66555@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Thank you, I'll do whatever it takes if it improves everything I dont mind taking a pill everyday if it means i can be okay. Im just worried that if it does start to die down, i'll realise i am just a nasty person. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66554 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:27:04 +0000 chaschas 66554@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi Elliot,</p> <p>Personally I find the medication to be good whilst I'm waiting for Cognitive Behavioural Therapy - after the CBT has finished who knows if I'll need the meds anymore but they reduce my anxiety somewhat which really helps.<br /> See what your GP recommends &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:-)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> <p>Chas </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66553 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:18:29 +0000 wannabefree 66553@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi elliott, it doesn't have to be forever, though I've been on medications for years... We're all on oxygen for life, and we need to be eating the right things too, so medications help along too... You can try herbal remedies too which can be got over the counter, but you have to be careful with these if you are on prescription medicines, cos they can lower effectiveness, your GP can checkyour medical history and work out what would be best for you to try. Yes they can have side effects to begin with but these are weighed against the therapeutic effects, and the improved quality of life gained...<br /> Wannabe </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66550 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:57:14 +0000 badcompany 66550@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Im scared that that the meds won't be enough after a while and I'll have to go through intensive treatment or something &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; I didn't think i'd go through anything like this. I don't want to become relient on medication to get me through each day, but i suppose if it does work then it is worth it. Thank you. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66549 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:48:53 +0000 wannabefree 66549@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi everyone, Hi Elliott, Hello from me too... It is right to see your GP as soon as you can, for the help you need. You need to get the ball rolling as soon as possible, cos some things have long waits. Medication can be a big help, though I'm seeing my GP about changing mine, cos it doesn't seem to be doing anything anymore... Medications are a powerful ally in the fight against OCD, as they are in any illness. And this is an illness, that needs skilled care, and it all starts with your GP. I've tried writing as a hobby, but have been getting a bit disillusioned with it, but I will try to keep at it. Reading the OCD books is a good thing to do as well. I would suggest CBT therapy, but I'm only just starting mine and I'm scared already, but it is an excited scared I think... It is well promoted on these forums, so should be good, I've done it before and it worked...<br /> Wannabe </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66547 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:32:11 +0000 badcompany 66547@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Im trying to do things to take my mind off everything. Just have a bad feeling i need to work on myself as well as everything else &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; Thank you for telling me about it all, i don't mean to sound really silly but would my gp just be my local doctor? I read up about the meds, and it doesnt sound like something i want to take unless they're needed. Hopefully i can get better without them. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66544 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:41:05 +0000 Tess 66544@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi elliott<br /> Yes, meds do have side effects but this has to be balanced against the therapeutic benefits. But you are thinking too far ahead, the first thing you need to do is go and see your GP. If meds are suggested then that is the time to discuss possible side effects but as I said before, it is your choice and you do not have to take meds if you don't want to. You can ask for a referral to a psychiatrist for a professional diagnosis if you are not happy with what your GP suggests. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66539 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:53:40 +0000 badcompany 66539@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi Tess<br /> Thank you for helping, are there any side effects to the medication? I'll do whatever it takes, i think i can make something of myself if i could just control it all. I had college today and I'm in one of the lowest moods i've been in. I think sometimes I genuinely think negative things about them, but i feel so disgusted with myself for it, and i dont know if thats part of it all or its just me being mean and wanting to be better. But i think that over thinking and scaring myself are part of it. I wish i could know if thinking the bad things about people is fuelled by it, or if thats all just me. Thank you for showing me where to go, I'll try my best to take care of everything i need to do. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66524 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:18:35 +0000 Tess 66524@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi Elliott<br /> Welcome to the forum from me. The others have given you all the correct advice so there is little for me to add except that the best way to access help for your problem is via your GP who will then refer you on for specialist help. If this is OCD, and it certainly sounds like it, it's much better to get treatment at an early stage. You are not alone, there are very many others in the same boat and your GP will have heard it all before, at least something similar as we are all individuals with a common thread running through our symptoms. There can be a wait of several weeks for therapy so I would advise you to make an appointment with your GP and get the ball rolling. You have the advantage of being young and being open about this and realistically you can expect a very good result from therapy. You may be offered medication, this is a matter of choice and you do not have to agree to go down this route. I agree with Mike that cognitive behavioural therapy is you best initial option. If you go to the Support and Info section above and click on Resource Centre you can read the NICE Guidelines which explain the treatments which you are entitled to receive under the NHS. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66521 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:26:19 +0000 badcompany 66521@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>And i definitely will talk to her at a later date about all this, hopefully if i can see somebody about it and confirm it, i will have confidence to tell her without doubting there's a part of me that wants to make it up so that i have reasoning behind how mean i was. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66522 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:26:19 +0000 badcompany 66522@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <br /> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66519 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:18:53 +0000 badcompany 66519@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi Mike,<br /> It's really hard to answer that, because I did plenty of wrong things, not all terrible but just things that weren't right, some worse than others, but she did forgive me for all of them because she always said how in love with me she was. I didn't feel deserving her forgiveness, and knew that i'd upset her i felt really really horrible and guilty all of the time, compelled to tell her the next thing i hadn't told her, i found myself searching for everything that could make her dislike me, because i was worried that i didn't deserve her being nice to me. I felt it was right though because i did doubt my feelings, maybe it was the ocd that made me feel negatively towards her i dont understand it and thats what scares me. After the break up, a few days ago actually, we were talking and she told me she had cake, and the first thought that was in my head was 'wonder why you put on weight' and immediately after i told myself she hasnt, and that im so horrible for thinking that, and that i just really hate myself, i told her that i thought that and that i rejected by telling myself otherwise, but for obvious reasons she got really upset, told me how mean i was and that its a horrible thing to say. The same thing happened when I saw a picture of us both, and i asked myself if i find her attractive, and the thought that came into my head was 'maybe she doesnt have many friends because she isnt attractive' but that isn't me, and once again i told myself otherwise, and when she asks why i think it i can't give her an answer. It makes me feel horrible because almost the entire relationship she was so lovely and kind to me, and this is how its ended, me talking to her like i hate her, and making us both alone. I don't understand my feelings right now, because i feel really messed up, i dont know whats causing what, whether im a bad person who thinks those mean things through sub conscious, and has ocd making it worse, or whether i just have ocd and its making me pick out the meanest things to say. I have no idea why i pick out mean things to say when speaking to her, because i always tell myself otherwise and get so upset about it, as does she. She thinks its because i dont like her, i want her to hate me and that i dont care, but i do, i just wish i understood it all so that i could learn how to beat it and be okay again, even if it means as a single person. It made me doubt if i ever did love her, it seems like a completely different time as though i was a different person, but i really did. I think no job, arguments with her, i find my college class just degrading because i did really well in my a levels but most of my friends went to uni. I don't have the money for help, i just really hope that i can try to fix things through books and things like that. I hope this reply wasn't too long, thank you for helping. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66516 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:02:08 +0000 Mike 66516@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>And your last post, about your doubts about having OCD and maybe it's just an excuse and you're really a bad person - that is just another fear drive by your OCD. In other words, it's just another obsession.</p> <p>I've had OCD for almost 20 years, and it's very easy for me to identify when someone else has it. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66515 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:00:48 +0000 Mike 66515@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Elliott,</p> <p>It sounds like you definitely have OCD. All of your "what ifs?" (what if I am a bad person, what if I would want to hurt her, etc.) are worries that only plague people with OCD. And your compulsive need to tell her all the things you're thinking is also a hallmark sign of OCD. Just so you know, there is no such thing as "Pure O", since everyone with OCD has compulsions. It was called "Pure O" before it was realized that the people who were thought to only have obsessions did in fact have compulsions, it's just that they weren't easily visible.</p> <p>I have to ask you, when you say you doubted your feelings towards her, did you feel in your heart that you really didn't have strong feelings for her anymore, or did you feel that you did have strong feelings, but you felt that you needed to break up because of anxious thoughts that made you doubt how you felt about her? Also, do you feel that you made the right decision by breaking up with her? What do you feel in your heart? I ask because OCD often makes people doubt things for no reason, and I'm curious if maybe the OCD is what made you break up with her, whereas deep down you actually do want to be with her.</p> <p>But back to the main point at hand, I think the most important thing for you to do right now is see BOTH a psychiatrist, and if you get a diagnosis of OCD, find a cognitive behavioral therapist. A traditional "talk therapist" won't help you. I don't know the details of your relationship with your ex, but it sounds like your OCD definitely affected aspects of it. I think once you get a better understanding of what's going on you should try to explain to her about your condition, and that will probably be helpful for her so that she understands your actions better. </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66514 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:31:28 +0000 badcompany 66514@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Also, I'm worried in case im using this as an excuse or something because i really do think bad things because im not a nice person, or is that just part of it all? &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66513 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:16:09 +0000 badcompany 66513@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>It's really nice to not feel alone, i don't feel the need as much to tell my ex what i've been thinking. I guess it makes it so hard that i dont understand, so neither does she and she gets upset and mad thinking i hate her, it confuses me even more. How does the GP thing work? I'm not stupid i'm just really unfamiliar with it all &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; I'll make sure to stay in touch, i don't have anyone to talk to, because i know they either dont really care, understand or take it the wrong way. I'm going to try to get a couple of books and make an effort to read them, i dont want this to take over my life, thank you for being there, i'll stay in touch if you dont mind me talking too much &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66512 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:29:36 +0000 chaschas 66512@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Hi Elliot,</p> <p>Please don't worry about your GP thinking you're "dangerous" because you're certainly not - GP's have to study mental health at great length before qualifying. I'm no Doctor myself but from what you've said and from what I've experienced personally it sounds like OCD.<br /> Good luck and keep in touch if you can - we all have OCD on here so know how you feel and can offer support &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:-)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> <p>Chas &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/bb-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:-)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/topic/im-really-worried-and-genuinely-feel-hopeless#post-66508 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:16:18 +0000 badcompany 66508@http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/forums/ <p>Thank you guys, there's some lovely people here, nice to see people like this still exist. You've really comforted me, i'm going to try and get some books on it or something, and perhaps at a later point try to see a specialist. In a way i hope it is OCD, purely because I can't deal with myself over thinking that im the worst person. No i haven't really told my ex so i can't blame her for getting the wrong idea. I find myself thinking everything so much, even over thinking about finding her attractive that im almost convincing myself, and that scares me because i don't want to turn into something im not. I'm scared that the doctor will think im dangerous if i tell him about what im thinking, i wouldn't hurt anyone. Im trying to keep my mind off it, thank you though, understanding everything is the most important thing for me i think right now. </p>